MAC | PC ?

[chrged]

Who's got what!?

i've got a PC at home but i work on a mac so i've just bought the new 24" iMac... prefer PC for f*ckin around on but the macs so much better for graphic work...

[Evilteddy]

Someone block Cpalgz and others of his type from seeing this thread.
You've just opened up a can of worms.

My preference is PC, i don't care what anyone says. In todays world you can do anything you want with either. PC is more user-friendly.

"Bla blah blah MAC does better graphics..."
Maybe 5years ago, maybe 2 years ago. If you've got the money, a very decent machine and an operating system. There is no difference in the capabilities of what you can do now-days.

You want protection, install Linux, you want user-friendly, install windows, you want to be different, install MAC.

[adrenalin]

Mac = great for video editing | photo editing

PC does it just as well we just dont have as decent programs for video side of things.

Mac OS sucks cock

[magic1]

others as in ballsac?

[varrjj_]

If you don't play games, get a MAC. The new iLife is awesome!! Be prepared to pay for it though. What you get in a MAC compared to a PC of similar value is a bit of a rip off, and if it breaks you have to ship it back to MAC for repairs. OS X is a unix operating system, very stable and secure and has a lot of built in features.

It's a pretty subjective question, but i'd go the MAC :D

[chrged]

yeah i don't play games on the PC, i do graphic design and working on macs is SO much easier can't really be bothered explaining why... but yeah making the change... lol..

the only down fall is like word n sh*t is hell budgo on macs... its made by microsoft but it sucks...

[devilfish]

MAC FOR LIFE

[schnoods]

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj152/schnoods/pcvsmacjo3.jpg

[SimonR32]

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj152/schnoods/pcvsmacjo3.jpg

so where does the GTR come in all of this?

[SINISTR]

not another pc vs mac thread...

[LNYMRKO]

This debate will go on forever. Matter of personal preference really. Personally I think the Mac OSX is far more advanced than XP.. and don't even get me started on Vista. Once users get past the "Its so different to Windows, I don't like it" stage, they'll realise how easy and amazing OSX really is. People are afraid of change, and from changing from what they're used to. Once you get the hang of it, its awesome.

I work in I.T and prefer a Mac workstation anyday. However when it comes to servers I don't think Mac matches up to Windows.

There's always gonna be a debate and such, but IMO the advantages of a Mac outweigh anything else.

- No viruses
- No need for drivers etc
- Apple make both the hardware and software, hence everything integrates and works perfect with no hassle. Microsoft don't make PC hardware (besides peripherals) so theres always going to be a 3rd party involved which is where most of the problems lie
- Pretty much all PC devices will still work on a Mac anyway
- A LOT more reliable than XP/Vista. Unless you own a Mac or use one regularly, you cannot argue that point.. and if you do, you'll agree.. It doesn't crash/freeze.
- Can run Windows on it with Windows Apps/games. I've setup mine in dual boot, so I can boot into Windows if need be, and I also can run that same Windows partition in a virtualized environment inside Mac OSX (However you cannot run games virtualized as you dont get full native graphics card support.. although this is changing)
- OSX comes standard built in with amazing features like multiple desktops, quickview etc etc. Vista tried to copy a lot of these effects and eye-candy appealing stuff but didn't quite nail it IMO.
- Both hardware and software are more aesthetically pleasing.
- Etc, etc.. I could go on for days.

Both sides are going to have their downfalls, its a matter of what you deem to be best, and weighing out what the downfalls are and how they effect you personally.

Most programs these days come with Mac versions anyway, for those of you who say your programs don't run on a Mac.. and worst comes to worst, I can run them virtualized in Windows without having to reboot.

Each to their own.. I'd never go back to a PC.. and I've used them/worked with them for years.

Woah novel post. I'll go pick up my sales cheque from Apple now.

http://www.apple.com/getamac/

[hoony]

MAC FTW

that's all i'll say, always used a PC for my whole life until i started Uni which is when i bought my laptop... unless you guys consider laptop's incomparable to PC's...

anyway, picked up a black MacBook... awesome, will never go back

[Halle Terry]

The phrase mac is good for design/graphic work is so overused

as a design student all the guys on Mac's use them cos they think its cool/and or an advantage. These people are idiots.

PC ftw

[DRKWRX]

i got one of the 8 core Mac pro desktops with 10gig ram :yum: runs sweet as, mac os is stable as, no viruses and I have windows on it too If I wanna play games which I rarely do but its great for photo editing. I rebooted in windows couple days ago and only took a few seconds for me to get in a rage at all the pop ups and bs asking questions.

[LNYMRKO]

One more thing... less is more.

http://i35.tinypic.com/25qsntk.jpg

Eagerly awaiting Lukians rebuttle. Hahahahaha

[cplagz]

Buy a Mac if you want to get work done, buy a PC if you want to play games.

I love my Mac and this is after YEARS as a hardcore "I'll never buy a Mac" PC fanboy.

But that's because my life has changed .... I no longer play CS. :)

[Evilteddy]

PERMISSION TO PICK APART YOUR 'FACTS'


- No viruses

-Only because the majority of users are windows based, writing a virus for a MAC would not get you anywhere, except maybe into someones ITUNES library, which most of the time ITUNES won't let the user themselves into.


- No need for drivers etc

-Nah, and no need for updates, MAC will just make you download the whole program again. i.e ITUNES.


- Apple make both the hardware and software, hence everything integrates and works perfect with no hassle. Microsoft don't make PC hardware (besides peripherals) so theres always going to be a 3rd party involved which is where most of the problems lie

-Can guarantee that some of your 'MAC Made' programs are in fact built and coded by a third party.


- A LOT more reliable than XP/Vista. Unless you own a Mac or use one regularly, you cannot argue that point.. and if you do, you'll agree.. It doesn't crash/freeze.

-Disagree. More reliable than Vista... Yes (Unless the Vista machine has 4gb of RAM) More reliable than XP, i highly doubt it. Depends what you run, when you run and the actual machine you're running on.


- OSX comes standard built in with amazing features like multiple desktops, quickview etc etc. Vista tried to copy a lot of these effects and eye-candy appealing stuff but didn't quite nail it IMO.


-Partly wrong, Vista didn't try and copy MAC. Vista tried to copy Linux (Beryl) which has been using multiple desktops for alot longer than MAC has.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not sticking up for Vista, I hate it more than most people would.

[locote]

Only reason i own a computer is to play games at the highest settings...
For me PC FTW, can you even play games on MACs????

[RICEY]

One more thing... less is more.

http://i35.tinypic.com/25qsntk.jpg

Eagerly awaiting Lukians rebuttle. Hahahahaha

Dell ftw thats my tower right there ahh me tower :D

[Halle Terry]

Less is more aye?

Less cables, bigger price tag

http://matiss.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/mac_vs_pc.jpg

[zeroyon]

lol thats a modded pic ....

here's the real one -->
http://butters.throwinghandles.com/file_storage/images/gaytest.jpg


One thing that annoys me ...... Mac's do get virus's !!!

Ok Mac and PC = SAME HARDWARE now. Mac you pay a premiumn of 30% - 100% more for a pretty casing.

If pretty casing and being cool is important to you buy a Mac.

If its not buy a PC and install OS-X or windows or both .....

ARGUMENT OVER !!

[locote]

$4K to play super mario hahaahah....
I know its a bit exagerated but its so close to the truth...

[Halle Terry]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

maddox does a sweet job describing my sentiments about mac users

[locote]

LOL

[ELUSIV]

Strangely enough had this argument with a mate who has recently gotten an iPhone and a Mac Lappy with OSX.

Apple products are generally technologically inferior to similar products on the market, they offer nothing new but they deliver them and market them in such a way that everyone wants to own one, they have become fashion accessories.

A computer is there for doing work (or games or porn).

I have Vista 64Bit and its more stable than XP and have 3Gb of RAM. Vista is far more stable than XP IF like Glen said you have enough RAM. If you are on the minimum requirements then its going to be sh!t, but considering RAM costs less than a reach around from a thai ladyboy im sure people can put their coins together for some.

Having used OSX its nothing fantastic, it isnt as intuitive or easy to learn as Windows is but its fine to use once you are used to it. The problem the vast majority of the people who own or use computers have Windows so whats the point in re-learning a new operating system?

As for Viruses Macs do get them too, i dont have a virus scanner and havent had one for years and havent got one virus. Its fairly simple unless you are an utter muppett who runs every dodgy attachment that is sent to you or clicks on shit that says you have won a free russian wife. If you are an idiot in this respect then a Mac is for you.

Drivers are a neccessary evil and this in fact makes Windows better than Mac. If i have a device there is a 99% chance a driver exists for it for Windows and i can use it fine. If it isnt compatible with a Mac then im fucked. Mac has much less support in both software and hardware for them, this is a major limitation. Drivers also are good in that like Service Pack updates for Windows they can offer new features or increase performance of your hardware, for example new drivers for a video card may increase performance in games.

There is nothing anymore that a Mac is BETTER at, maybe EASIER for some things such as video editing but Windows based PC's will always be superior for a simple reason. More competition = more developers = more development = more products = better products. If there was only one exotic car manufacturer there would be no crazy cars like we have today. Competition is great for the consumer. Having used Photoshop CS3 on Mac and Windows i believe its marginally better on Windows. Theres more hardware and software and always will be for Windows based PC's.

Looking at Apple's strategy they are focussing primarily on peripherals these days as they know the days of the Mac are numbered, it wont happen soon but eventually it will happen and it will be reduced to a small minority such as the people who use Linux.

[LNYMRKO]

Rhys knows all about the gay test hahaha

[LNYMRKO]

PERMISSION TO PICK APART YOUR 'FACTS'



-Only because the majority of users are windows based, writing a virus for a MAC would not get you anywhere, except maybe into someones ITUNES library, which most of the time ITUNES won't let the user themselves into.



-Nah, and no need for updates, MAC will just make you download the whole program again. i.e ITUNES.



-Can guarantee that some of your 'MAC Made' programs are in fact built and coded by a third party.



-Disagree. More reliable than Vista... Yes (Unless the Vista machine has 4gb of RAM) More reliable than XP, i highly doubt it. Depends what you run, when you run and the actual machine you're running on.



-Partly wrong, Vista didn't try and copy MAC. Vista tried to copy Linux (Beryl) which has been using multiple desktops for alot longer than MAC has.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not sticking up for Vista, I hate it more than most people would.


- Be that as it may.. the fact remains that OSX still won't get a virus. (Or atleast a LOT less likely to.)
- I never mentioned updates, but while were on the subject, Apple release far LESS updates than Windows. Windows will release a patch or 'hotfix' for every single thing that is buggered, until they bundle all couple of hundred of them into a compiled service pack, which is a big download that you are stating you don't like with the Apple updates.
- 3rd party coded apps? Maybe. But they're built standard into OSX and thoroughly tested beforehand, so they dont fuck up.
- I don't agree with that at all, I honestly think OSX is FAR more stable than XP, and I've delt with both OS' for many many years, including working in IT as a network engineer for the past 4.
- Possibly, but I still see a strong Mac influence in Vista eye-candy stuff.

[Pav]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

maddox does a sweet job describing my sentiments about mac users

HAHA!! I was waiting to see if someone posted that!! I was gonna contribute it otherwise :P I back Maddox all the way. PC's 4 Lyf3!11

[LNYMRKO]

Only reason i own a computer is to play games at the highest settings...
For me PC FTW, can you even play games on MACs????

Yes, you can. The choices are somewhat limited compared to PCs however. With that being said, you can still dual boot into Windows.

[Halle Terry]

Yes, you can. The choices are somewhat limited compared to PCs however. With that being said, you can still dual boot into Windows.

Thus making the choice to get a MAC slightly redundant

[LNYMRKO]

My preference is PC, i don't care what anyone says. In todays world you can do anything you want with either. PC is more user-friendly.

I totally disagree with that, after owning both for a number of years.

Like I said, this is an endless debate haha. I wonder how many random forums and threads google would find on this topic.

[LNYMRKO]

Thus making the choice to get a MAC slightly redundant

I don't play enough games to justify it. I don't take that into consideration when buying a computer. I have an xbox 360 for that.. which funnily enough is made by Microsoft :P

[zeroyon]

the fact remains that OSX still won't get a virus.

http://www.symantec.com/business/security_response/attacksignatures/detail.jsp?asid=21138

http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2007-110101-2320-99&tabid=1

Never say .... Never :)

[locote]

So what sort of $$ would i need to spend on a MAC to play farcry2 at same settings i do now??
Sure i could dual boot but will the MAC have the balls to run the latest games???

[Evilteddy]

- Be that as it may.. the fact remains that OSX still won't get a virus.
- I never mentioned updates, but while were on the subject, Apple release far LESS updates than Windows. Windows will release a patch or 'hotfix' for every single thing that is buggered, until they bundle all couple of hundred of them into a compiled service pack, which is a big download that you are stating you don't like with the Apple updates.
- 3rd party coded apps? Maybe. But they're built standard into OSX and thoroughly tested beforehand, so they dont fuck up.
- I don't agree with that at all, I honestly think OSX is FAR more stable than XP, and I've delt with both OS' for many many years, including working in IT as a network engineer for the past 4.
- Possibly, but I still see a strong Mac influence in Vista eye-candy stuff.

Dude, load Beryl onto a box, that's fucking eye-candy if there ever was any.
It's obviously what you're running on the XP machine that is making it un-stable. My last two machines have both run XP, and apart from installing applications, i think i've hit the shutdown button, twice? in... 5years?

My current machine i bought about 2 months ago. It's been up for... 66days.
My last machine was on for 7months straight before i had to install a program i needed for work. I find the machines themselves are less stable than XP.

But moving passed that. If you were running the same software(if you could) THROUGH OSX as XP... not running a virtual XP through OSX, OSX would not be that stable.

As long as you know what you're doing on a windows machine you wouldn't get a virus or spyware/adware anyways.


- I don't agree with that at all, I honestly think OSX is FAR more stable than XP, and I've delt with both OS' for many many years, including working in IT as a network engineer for the past 4.

You seem to be keen to make this into a pissing contest...

[LNYMRKO]

- Be that as it may.. the fact remains that OSX still won't get a virus. (Or atleast a LOT less likely to.)

I didn't. :D

[Evilteddy]

So what sort of $$ would i need to spend on a MAC to play farcry2 at same settings i do now??
Sure i could dual boot but will the MAC have the balls to run the latest games???

Over $5000 easy.

[Halle Terry]

Over $5000 easy.

I thought i'd just have to buy all of Apples product range before i could

[LNYMRKO]

Dude, load Beryl onto a box, that's fucking eye-candy if there ever was any.
It's obviously what you're running on the XP machine that is making it un-stable. My last two machines have both run XP, and apart from installing applications, i think i've hit the shutdown button, twice? in... 5years?

My current machine i bought about 2 months ago. It's been up for... 66days.
My last machine was on for 7months straight before i had to install a program i needed for work. I find the machines themselves are less stable than XP.

But moving passed that. If you were running the same software(if you could) THROUGH OSX as XP... not running a virtual XP through OSX, OSX would not be that stable.

As long as you know what you're doing on a windows machine you wouldn't get a virus or spyware/adware anyways.



You seem to be keen to make this into a pissing contest...

I'm not turning anything into a pissing contest dude. I'm just putting forward my preference (and why) as to why I like OSX better and a little background of how I've come to that decision. I think you'll even find some of my following posts light-hearted, because I know this is a never-ending debate.

I've used Beryl before, I know what its like, and yes its pleasing. All I said was that in MY OPINION, Vista tried to imitate some of the OSX stuff.

No, its not what I'm running on an XP machine making it unstable, I've used it for years, on many different machines in many different organisations, and I stand by my comment.. you don't have to agree with it. After all, this is an open forum for contributing ones own opinion.. is it not?

I'm aware aslong as you know what you're doing on a PC, you shouldn't be subject to virus. I was going more from a 'n00b' perspective on how easy a Mac is to use, and hassle free with that stuff without worrying about viruses or forking out for a 3rd party product to "protect" Windows from it.

[Syncope]

Not sure if i'll ever go back to PC unless they do something drastic.

I was once all for PC without actually using an Apple product. I finally used one for about a week and was converted. My PC has been collecting dust in the shed the very second my 24" iMac came.

No problems converting at all. Took a couple of days and thats it. I was worried they wouldn't have some programs, but i'm yet to find anything that i used to use on a PC that they dont have. And if i ever do find it, i can load up Vista in either a window or run it properly. I mean, iTunes is a dream on a Mac as are most of the other programs that come standard.

Yeah, i cant play Crysis at the highest possible setting and jerk off to leaves moving in the distance or whatever but i dont play games, and most current games are no problem at a moderate setting anyway. I can upgrade the basics like memory and hard drive without a problem anyway. Im not too interested in having a new video card every month in any case.

Only took a couple of months before a MacBook joined the ranks too.

As for its days being numbered? You're an idiot.

[LNYMRKO]

I'm not much of a gamer so I'm not up to speed with specs etc, but the 24" iMac comes with an option of a NVIDIA GeForce 8800 512MB graphics card.. surely that is enough to play at a decent resolution etc?

Or is that completely irrelevant with the use of SLi and whatnot these days?

Edit: Oh and the Mac pro has the option of a NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 1.5G.. but its a fucking forkout! Haha

[locote]

I'm not much of a gamer so I'm not up to speed with specs etc, but the 24" iMac comes with an option of a NVIDIA GeForce 8800 512MB graphics card.. surely that is enough to play at a decent resolution etc?

Or is that completely irrelevant with the use of SLi and whatnot these days?

8800gt is a good card, but if u wana use a 24inch screen you need the highest resolution possible,
8800gt will realy struggle even in SLI once AA is turned on to its max...

Im gathering that for the price of a MAC some could build a killer gaming PC that would b good for the latest games for at least a year or more.

[LNYMRKO]

Im gathering that for the price of a MAC some could build a killer gaming PC that would b good for the latest games for at least a year or more.

Most likely. I'll agree that Macs are pricey, there is no denying it.

I don't really play games though, so like I said that was never taken into consideration when I made a decision.

[Smoked]

on the alienware website i managed to clock up over $14k USD for a single computer with all the upgrades and addons, it was fuking bombed though

[DRKWRX]

yeah I bought mine because I wanted a system that was as simple as possible didnt lag and did everything that I needed to do and it was the best decision, I hate waiting for things to load etc lol.

[Lonewolf]

PC.
i work in a corporate environment, and happy to rarely have to even see one of the things.

[Joe]

others as in ballsac?

LOL why would I comment on this sort of thing? I only use PC, so I can't give an opinion on Mac vs PC :)

[LNYMRKO]

on the alienware website i managed to clock up over $14k USD for a single computer with all the upgrades and addons, it was fuking bombed though

Hahahaha yeah, you can get some crazy ass prices doing that sort of thing with the Mac Pro too when you start getting silly with the customizations..

Summary
$21,698.00 Ships: 4-6 business days Free Shipping
Specifications
Two 3.2GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
32GB (8x4GB)
Mac Pro RAID Card
1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 1.5GB
One 16x SuperDrive
Apple Cinema HD Display (30" flat panel)
Apple Wireless Mighty Mouse
Apple Wireless Keyboard (English) + User's Guide
AirPort Extreme Card (Wi-Fi)
Quad Channel 4Gb Fibre Channel PCI Express Card

[varrjj_]

At the end of the day each side has their pros and cons. They both do relatively the same job and do it well. The choice is up to you and what you want from your device. The argument could go on for pages but it is entirely up to your needs and wants.

[Slip_]

WTF is a Mac?

[SircatmaN]

You know what else is reliable? A 1986 corolla.

Funnily enough uni students and failing wannabe musicians drive those aswell.

[LNYMRKO]

lol!

[1JZVL]

if you know a thing or two about computers...the PC shouldn't be any trouble.

fucking apple

trying to be "different" for the sake of it ;)

[perthperf]

This message is here because I am trying to post a link, more than likely spam. For this reason, I am gay and I drive a riced up Lancer with neons.


^^^ That's awesome. :yum:

[perthperf]

PERMISSION TO PICK APART YOUR 'FACTS'

-Only because the majority of users are windows based, writing a virus for a MAC would not get you anywhere, except maybe into someones ITUNES library, which most of the time ITUNES won't let the user themselves into.

-Nah, and no need for updates, MAC will just make you download the whole program again. i.e ITUNES.

-Can guarantee that some of your 'MAC Made' programs are in fact built and coded by a third party.

-Disagree. More reliable than Vista... Yes (Unless the Vista machine has 4gb of RAM) More reliable than XP, i highly doubt it. Depends what you run, when you run and the actual machine you're running on.

-Partly wrong, Vista didn't try and copy MAC. Vista tried to copy Linux (Beryl) which has been using multiple desktops for alot longer than MAC has.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not sticking up for Vista, I hate it more than most people would.

You didn't do a very good job at picking apart his facts. In fact most of your post is bollocks!

Viruses. You have a better chance of getting Jessica Alba into bed then getting a virus on a Mac. Mac 1 - PC 0

Updates. Again it's not about downloads it's about Mac vs PC. Mac updates are few and far between because there are far less issues to resolve. The large number of Windows updates are required to fix all those security holes and vulnerabilities Windows has. Mac 2 - PC 0

Software. Yep applications written for OS X are often third party but are often written in Cocoa. Cocoa developers work a lot harder than your average .NET developer (as the level of technical experience required is much greater) which generally produces more refined applications which in turn produces better stability. Mac 3 - PC 0

Stability. "Depends what you run, when you run and the actual machine you're running on" - why not get some parts from Mitsubishi, Toyota and Holden for your Skyrine? Apple R&D specific parts for their products to ensure stability and this is often a reason for their higher price tags. If you want to test this theory yourself, borrow/buy/steal a Mac and source a Windows box with the closest specs you can find. Install XP on both (with Bootcamp for the Mac - and before you talk it up more, Bootcamp is not VM) and benchmark the shit out of them. When you see Windows running better on the specific Mac setup than the other machine you'll shit bricks. Mac 4 - PC 0

Most of Vista's visual 'ideas' are a blatant rip-off of OS X innovation from years ago. Microsoft borrowing Apple's ideas can be traced back to Apple's OS 7.5 and Microsoft's Windows 95. Taskbar and icon locations, 3D app switcher, global search, media organisation, gadgets, translucent windows, smart folders, drop shadows, embossed icons... maybe you want to read the emails from Microsoft employees envying OS X? (Which I tried to post the link to above but apparently I am gay and drive a Lancer with neons!) Mac 5 - PC 0

But this isn't a pissing content!

:poke:

[Fryman]

the whole gui concept (dosshell) was stolen from apple.

Apple do things one way x86 do it another this arguiilment is hopeless.

As long as macs stay out of my corporate environment (which spans the globe) i dont care. the passion for fighting for one team or another after working with computers all your life runs thin.

ps macs are for crackheads and artists. Leave them and their brainwashedlikecult to their own devices. competition breads healthy development.

[SimonR32]

ps macs are for crackheads and artists.

LOL

[SircatmaN]

Artists
Crackheads

Same same?

[DRKWRX]

prety much agree with above comment lol.

I dont know much about computers really but I found with any P.C. after time just ran slower and slower with more fuck ups, Ive been running the mac pro for about half a year and havnt had one problem doesnt run any slower isnt full with programs to keep viruses out, I know macs are more expensive but I wont be going back to P.C. not saying they are shit though but for what I want mac is better.

[chrged]

The phrase mac is good for design/graphic work is so overused

as a design student all the guys on Mac's use them cos they think its cool/and or an advantage. These people are idiots.

PC ftw

if all the guys are on Mac's don't you think theres a reason behind that to think theyre cool is stupid... go to any uni teaching design and i guarantee you will be learning on a mac

you wont last in design using a PC :P

[locote]

This thread will go on for ages.
If the task you need to do or your work can be done done better on a MAC or PC then pick the best machine or the one you are most comfortable one using.
Plain and simple.

I for one will never use a MAC because a ATARI 2600 is way cheaper and has more games available for it...

[Syncope]

http://www.angelzfunnyz.com/Portals/0/Gallery/Album/8/APPLE_FAN_BODY_MUTILATION.JPG

[Mad_Aussie]

ps macs are for crackheads and artists. Leave them and their brainwashedlikecult to their own devices. competition breads healthy development.

potheads thank you very much.

:p





Its good to see that on an automotive forum we can all still throw off the shackles of maturity and argue about a consumer product. Fantastic! I missed being 12.

Simple fact is that windows's's's's GUI is a mac idea, and macs use intel chips. Its all same same. One looks different to the other one, and macs dont get much in the way of 3rd party software, but in saying that, don't get viruses. Windows is prone to blue screening, OSX (unix) is prone to kernal errors. Its like bitching over toyota and nissan. Both are good at what they do, and both will throw you into a tree if you fuck up.
And whoever still tries to pullthe bandwagon over macs are better at graphics/design/etc etc etc its all bollocks these days. Adobe would go bust if CS4 didnt work well on PC.

The shortest summing up of the debate is that graphics people tend to steer towards macs because its more of a DESIGNED product, whereas windows in an ENGINEERED product. They do the same shit, just with the function vs form ideology mirrored between them.



By the way, I use both (graphics artist), but I choose to have a mac as my home machine, because overall its a prettier system. It plays my music, displays my porn in oh so lurverly high def, and I can draw some pretty pictures and I don't feel like my eyes are going to fall out. But its getting on to 4 years old, and the 'ol twin G5's are starting to show signs of their age; but considering its left on 24/7 it does its job well; and I can vouch its held up much better than any machines my mates have owned. All comes down to personal preference, you dont all need to get so emotional about it.

[DCIEVE]

nice post

i have no reason for disliking macs other than the blatant price gouging... not to mention updates which force everyone to replace there 4k machine with another 4k machine every 12months. crazy.

il leave the mac's to people who make things pretty (graphic design), the rest of us doing actual design (as in engineering) can stick with pc's :)

[LNYMRKO]

i have no reason for disliking macs other than the blatant price gouging... not to mention updates which force everyone to replace there 4k machine with another 4k machine every 12months. crazy.

They are pricey, yes. But updates that FORCE you to replace a machine every 12 months? What do you mean by that?

No matter what computer hardware you buy, its always going to be outdated (e.g bigger and better stuff out) every 12 months.

[chrged]

i picked up my 24" iMac last night - thing is f*ckin massive ay its like sitting in front of a TV!

i'm loving it! i have to say i prefer PC's for f*ckin around on still like MSN on macs is messy as cos all the screens are just floating around which is a pain in the ass, but for work its so much easier

but still! sweet as!

[DRKWRX]

you can still minimize the msn convos man lol, you will get used to it quick.

[chrged]

uleh! lol.. yeah i was startin to get use to it... still can't figure out how to put a DP on the mac version either lol bahhh tard spec... lol..

[Syncope]

Man fuck MSN off. Get onto adium.

[DRKWRX]

I was recommended audium could never get it too connect ffs might try again.

[LNYMRKO]

lol you can drag and drop a pic into msn display window the change it. If you're worried abut desktop clutter etc and it being messy, setup 'Spaces' which comes standard with your new iMac. Basically you can configure up to 16 (I think) desktops, and you can assign programs to specific desktops, so their windows only load in that specific desktop.

Comes in handy for me for work..

http://i36.tinypic.com/xbmipl.jpg

[LNYMRKO]

Also, get used to the Expose' feature too, will make your life easier, especially if you dont opt to configure Spaces. They're shortcut keys that will show you either all windows open, or all windows in the current program open, so you can quickly switch between them.

[Lump]

Simple fact is that windows's's's's GUI is a mac idea
GUI was not a mac/apple idea - they got the idea from the xerox parc machines, who inturn got the gui concepts including the mouse design from a stanford electrical engineer - cant remember his name tho

[perthperf]

GUI was not a mac/apple idea - they got the idea from the xerox parc machines, who inturn got the gui concepts including the mouse design from a stanford electrical engineer - cant remember his name tho

Apple were allowed the technology behind the Xerox design, however using a GUI in an installed operating system was entirely the result of Apple's hard work.

Apple provided Microsoft with prototype computers so that Microsoft could develop software for the first Apple OS, but Microsoft took everything they could from Apple's software and started installing it on cheap imported Japanese computers and began taking over the world.

:td: