New Track for W.A. hopefully

[gazza750]

Taken from DriftWA forums

No Street Race for Perth

Release date: 06/05/2008

V8 Supercars Australia has today ruled out a Perth street race, saying instead it is in favour of exploring options for a brand new permanent facility in conjunction with the West Australian Government and state councils.

It is understood V8 Supercars Australia CEO Wayne Cattach, and General Manager of Events and Motorsport, Shane Howard, who are in Perth this week for round four of the 2008 V8 Supercar series, will be involved in talks this Thursday and Friday.

Cattach and Howard will meet with the West Australian Sports Minister John Kolbeke, Jon Kelly the Mayor and CEO of Wanneroo City Council, as well as representatives from the Department for Sport and Recreation and Western Australia events to discuss the options for the future of the WA round.

“By this weekend we hope to have a far better understanding of what might be possible and what might not be possible,” said Cattach.

With the current venue, Barbagallo Raceway, out of contract at the end of 2009 and in need of a complete rebuild in order to meet demands for the event, it is an appropriate time to look at options for a new, permanent, state of the art motorsport facility, which will not only be the home for V8 Supercars but all categories of motor sport.

While the main goal will be keeping a round of the V8 Supercar series in Perth, it is believed V8 Supercars Australia will be pushing for the new facility over an upgrade of the current venue.

Keeping this in mind the discussion points around the table are most likely to centre around the options for a new facility, from where it could be built to who would build and manage the track.

[adrenalin]

Awesome the more tracks available over here the better :)

[Lump]

:fingers:

[Sciflyer]

hmm could be a double-edged sword

on one hand of course it would be great to have a new (another?) track, at least until Wanneroo finally gets gobbled up by housing

but for V8SC to be in control of it is not ideal

[TJ]

Can I translate that ?

"We dont like wanners, so build us a new toy to play on"

Government "put your crack pipe down"

V8's "if you dont we will take our toys away"

Sponsors "if you dont go to wa we will take our money away from the sport"

V8's "fuck."

Who here really thinks there will be a new track within 2 years to run the 2010 V8 round?

[gazza750]

i reckon about 4 to 5 years before we get a new track

[wadragracing]

V8s have a lot of sponsors to keep happy in WA for sure.
Whether I'd want them calling the shots on a new track...hmmm...they really don't give a shit about motorsport other than their own series. Come in, rape and pillage the sponsorship and spectators, piss off again...

[GA70TT]

would the new track if it does get built be under the WASCC ??

[xr06t]

not much hope of getting a track finished in 2 years. your lucky to get an approval through a council in 2 years!!
will be good to have more tracks here, but not sure if wanners would survive.

[JME]

Its hype cause the v8's are here this week. Will fall on deaf ears and nothing will happen yet again. There's been discussions about an option for the v8's for a number of years YET nothings happened.

[Fryman]

Its hype cause the v8's are here this week. Will fall on deaf ears and nothing will happen yet again. There's been discussions about an option for the v8's for a number of years YET nothings happened.

copy that

[SircatmaN]

V8s have a lot of sponsors to keep happy in WA for sure.
Whether I'd want them calling the shots on a new track...hmmm...they really don't give a shit about motorsport other than their own series. Come in, rape and pillage the sponsorship and spectators, piss off again...

And you'd rather the WASCC? There current committee is the main reason the V8's are not going back. Its the reason that drift might not be around all to long (They are trying to get rid of it on the grounds that it damamges the track) not to mention the trouble they have caused me and I was a long time hard working employee.

Thats the trouble with Clubs, one year you have a great Committee who is in it for the sport and really strives to get things done, then the next year (like now) you get a bunch of dumb f*cks in it for themselves who have no idea what they are doing and all they want is to drive there saloon cars around the track, nothing else.

Seriously V6 VNS VTS and AU FALCONS ARE NOT FUN TO WATCH.

But what would I know? I dont have alot of money or a saloon car, I just love motorsport, therefor I dont qualify for WASCC committee.

[wadragracing]

The WASCC is a double edged sword, there for the members but not necessarily representative. Indeed it doesn't show much financial nouse to get rid of profitable and easy to run events such as the drifting.

Perhaps it is time for the facility, or indeed a new facility to mature beyond club-based running and look to proper management.

[SircatmaN]

The problem with the current committee is they arent there for the members. When i was working there and having a heated discussion with the current president about the way he was treating staff and members he told me "F*ck the members!"

Whether he meant it or said it in the heat of the disscussion as I have later been told by other committee members is left to you.

Now when John hurney was President things were differant, he WAS there for the club and still is there for the members. He cared about motorsport all together not just saloon cars or whatever he drove.
Its a shame, I've sinced asked him if he will run again next year but he said no.

Put it this way, I was a member, I was staff and i was doing over 45+ hours a week of hard work.The new committee abused me and other staff I'm talking metally, vocally and more for no reason. It caused me much stress and i had to take a couple of days off as I couldnt sleep (on doctors orders btw). I returned to work and the moment I mentioned that I thought they needed to respect the staff more I was told I was no longer required. And then my Boss was.
Considering we were already overworked and 2 staff down how can you not need us?
They gave me no wanrings not to mention the month before a got a big pay rise for all my hard work (all documented) and the saturday after this happened both our jobs were in the paper.

Not only have they lost someone who worked for the club, the members and motorsport (I was at EVERY DRIFT EVENT fixing all the damage, sometimes with volunteers alot of the time by myself in my own time) they now have people who cant even use the equipment and are paying my wage out per week just to get someone in to do the sandtraps... not to mention the lawsuit they are now under from me.

All this has cost the club what? Alot of time, money and more and theres nothing to show for it except a couple of new staff who have no background knowledge that years of working at the complex has taught myself and my old boss.

I'm posting this to let the members of the WASCC KNOW THE TRUTH as coincidentally at the same time they pulled down there forum where I could contact other members hmmmmm funny that.

The facility itself isnt to bad, if it were to be taken of the club (although keep the staff that work there) and put under government managment the track could be very good, not to mention AVESCO would come back (The hate the committee almost as much as me if not then more).

I'm just waiting to see what happens at the v8's when someone enevitably cracks a pipe or something and they come running to me to find where all the shutoff valves are. Good luck, I'll sit back and enjoy the racing like I should have been doing all this time.

[wadragracing]

Sounds pretty bad dude.

"We are aware that the forums popular with our members and we regretfully advise that due to the time it is currently taking to maintain, and we need all our staff helping to get ready for the BigPond® 400 V8 round, it will be closed until further notice. We thank you for youe understanding and patience and hope to have the Forum up and running again in the near futre.

We are currently exploring the opportunity for members to post a link to their web address for photography"

LOL nice reasoning.

[SircatmaN]

What they meant to say is:

"In light of our newly formed Dictatorship.... I mean Committee, we have decided that you no longer need to be able to talk freely with each other about the club. We will talk for you

- Fidel Castro.... I mean WASCC Committee"

[Tre-Cool]

Who gives a fuck about wa sponsors? it's not like most of the companies that sponsor the v8 supercars are wa based. they would be national or east coast based companies.

I HOPE they do pull up camp in w.a as then it'll make the weak pingpingpingpings here build a new track.

[wadragracing]

Who gives a fuck about wa sponsors? it's not like most of the companies that sponsor the v8 supercars are wa based. they would be national or east coast based companies.

I HOPE they do pull up camp in w.a as then it'll make the weak pingpingpingpings here build a new track.
It's not necessarily WA-based companies, but national companies who want to look after the WA arm. And with a lot of economic activity here it's a given they're interested in us.
WA is worth a lot more to some companies than just the population base.

[JME]

Collie with extension due in 18months as well as Dowerin. The wascc can keep their track and live in the 70's.

[Tre-Cool]

I was going to ask if anyone had any more updates with dowerin.

[SircatmaN]

Collie with extension due in 18months as well as Dowerin. The wascc can keep their track and live in the 70's.

Looks like THEY wont be keeping the track much longer if my sources are correct :)

[FranZ]

Re: Dowerin...

I took this photo of a car all stickered up when I was at Barbagallo for the Torque trophy.

http://private.franzonline.net/dowerin/motorplex.jpg

[Brockas]

my god wouldn't that be awesome....

[SircatmaN]

http://bigpondvideo.com/panelbeaters click Perth PRE Segment 1

A little bit of evidence of how "great" the managment committee of the WASCC is right from Waynes mouth :)

Also he mentions about me and some of the other staff!

[Tre-Cool]

that track would be awesome. last i heard the start/finish straight was also able to be used as a drag strip.

[Tre-Cool]

typical fucking bigpond site. keeps buffering all the time. telstra shit me...

[Biante12]

Who gives a fuck about wa sponsors? it's not like most of the companies that sponsor the v8 supercars are wa based. they would be national or east coast based companies.

I HOPE they do pull up camp in w.a as then it'll make the weak pingpingpingpings here build a new track.

We put a lot of Money into the V8's for a lot of years. We also had to pay Avesco royalties for the privilege of using their logos on the model cars. What do you get for that, 2 Season Avesco Tickets. Thank God the teams we sponsored came up with tickets for the whole crew to go to Barbagallo.

We also pay good money for the ESSES. What do we get in return - Advertising - When we mentioned a few tickets, NOTHING..

We are (were) A WA owned company.

As for members privileges during the V8's, don't even get me started on the way we were treated on the weekend. Cockhead Cochran ran the V8's on the weekend. WASCC just supplied the labour under Avesco control. New rules and shit, we were treated like 2nd rate refugees.

As for the State Government helping with a new track, what planet you on. The WA State Government have no interest in Motorsport. Their support for the "Sport" is currently the Quit Forest Rally - that is until the sponsorship contract expires then it might be - BAN SMOKING AT THE EVENT OR WE PULL SPONSORSHIP. Sound familiar.

They'd rather spend our money making Perth look like Melbourne and New York.

Motosport breeds/encourages hoon behaviour and we do not approve.

WA Government keeping up with the Jones.

[Biante12]

Will pay to keep an eye on the news today. Have heard a statement has been released regarding the future of V8's in WA. That there is no future.

Looks like next year will be the final one. No New Track, No Barbagallo Upgrade

[SircatmaN]

I can't find anything about that on v8supercar.com.au or any of the news sites but I'll keep looking. It wouldn't suprise me if the WASCC committee managed to make the government lose ALL interest in motorsport in WA.

[Mad_Aussie]

well gentlemen, we need to start a fucking rally outside of govt. house about this. And I don't mean holding wooden signs, MC in their carpark spec!!

[FranZ]

I have on good authority that every rally held out at the front of parliament house has NOT changed the outcome of whatever they are fighting for/rallying about.

[Mad_Aussie]

But when was the last time you saw a teachers union hold a motorkhana out the front in protest? :P

[Biante12]

Latest news release from Avesco etc

"V8 Supercars chief executive officer Wayne Cattach has confirmed that a site east of Wanneroo has been scouted for a new race track, should an upgrade to Barbagallo Raceway prove unfeasible.

Cattach said he visited a site in the Upper Swan region of Perth last Thursday.

“It is up near the Pearce Air Force Base in an area where you would not find conflict with residential development and it had reasonable traffic access,” he said.

“There's plenty of land in that region you could choose from (to build a new track).

“Perth's lucky in the respect that there are still sites within a reasonable distance (to the CBD) where you could develop a race track.”

The Pearce Air Force Base is east of Wanneroo next to the town of Bullsbrook which is about 45 kilometres from the Perth CBD.

The West Australian government is expected to soon announce the consultant who will conduct a feasibility study into both upgrading Barbagallo's substandard facilities and building a completely new site.

In a meeting with Cattach over the weekend, Sport and Recreation Minister John Kobelke indicated the government's desire for the V8s to stay in Perth.

“The State Government has already begun assessment of what is required at the state's premier motorsports facility, Barbagallo Raceway, in order to maintain V8 racing, in addition to possibly attracting other motorsport events including more motorcycle racing and possible Asian based competitions to Western Australia,” Kobelke said.

“Equally, I am open to the idea of the development of a new track on a greenfield site, if an appropriate and viable business case can be demonstrated.”

The Government has warned the consultant's recommendation would not mean instant approval if it costs too much.

Cattach said the V8s did not have a preference on either option, but would not return to Wanneroo past 2009 if modern facilities were not provided.

“The most important message is we have one more year to go (on the contract) and we will make no more commitment beyond that until we can see evidence we will have an improved facility in Wanneroo, were we to come back beyond 2010,” he said.

“We don't have a preferred option, but what we do know is we are not going to have a piecemeal thing.

“It's got to be a complete solution delivered intact at the end of the project.”

Kobelke said the government was aware of the need for a quick decision to provide a facility capable of hosting the V8s in Perth beyond 2009.

“I explained to Mr Cattach that we will progress our investigations as quickly as possible to enable V8s Australia to make a decision about the future of the event,” he said."

[TJ]

Good to see the government actually doing the right thing.

[SircatmaN]

Yeh they are throwing around the idea of building there except it would cost more to build the circuit alone (not including the facilites to go alongside it) than it would to redo the facilites at barbagallo.

Although in good news Wayne Cattach has said that even if they build a new track or fix barbagallo they refuse to deal with the WASCC in the future anyway so we might get a group that KNOWS how to manage a track and hopefully the GOOD staff of the WASCC who take pride in there work and do a great job might be able to swap over to this new company and do there work in peace without this shithouse committee on thier backs!

However an entirely new track would be very welcomed, the more the better :D

[Biante12]

However an entirely new track would be very welcomed, the more the better :D

A new track would mean the end for Barbagallo. I've heard the Government have given WASCC till next year to get back to them with a proposal and costing for a refurbishment.

Will be interesting. I would like to know exactly where they are looking at placing the new track in relation to Pearce base as there is a no fly zone around the base and especially the approach and departure avenues of the runway, but i'm sure they have considered that, and the other thing that springs to mind, Great Northern Highway is the main road in the area, how many people will shit themselves driving at 110 next to a group of road trains on a saturday and sunday afternoon. Yes it is a main road, but is predominantly filled with trucks and road trains on a Sunday getting to Perth before Monday. Sunday afternoon is also when they start heading North. But I'm sure they have taken that into consideration.

[Denver]

Im pegging this will end up going no where

but im also pegging the v8's will keep racing at wanners regardless

while yes the track is sucky, the facilities are not that bad, oran park is shithouse in comparison to wanners, yet they don't piss and moan about that track

more of it comes down to avesco wanting more cut of the pie when it comes to the takings for the weekend

gotta remember, wanners is one of the largest rounds when it comes to spectator numbers in comparision to all the other rounds, so avesco is probably shat its missing out on a substantial amount of money

[SircatmaN]

The real reason as I have stated before is they dont like the WASCC and especially its Committee. They are using this as an aexcuse to remove them.
As for the track they were looking on the opposite side of the Air Base.

As far as AVESCO is concerned they just dont want to deal with WASCC aslong as the club is removed then they will be happy to return.

[FranZ]

Denver, you forgetting that Oran Park has 6 months of life left?

Theres not too many opportunities to drive the Grand Prix Circuit at Oran Park anymore. Thankfully I have ticked that box! :)


Wakefield Park has better facilities than Barbagallo and its on the east coast but the V8 Supercars don't go there anymore - yes the Fujitsu series does, but the main game doesn't as they think the facilities are too crap.

[wadragracing]

but im also pegging the v8's will keep racing at wanners regardless

QFT, the same huffing and puffing goes on every year.
The inconvenience is worth what they would lose in dollar terms if there was no round.

[Denver]

The real reason as I have stated before is they dont like the WASCC and especially its Committee. They are using this as an aexcuse to remove them.
As for the track they were looking on the opposite side of the Air Base.

As far as AVESCO is concerned they just dont want to deal with WASCC aslong as the club is removed then they will be happy to return.

The comittee is only a small part of it, yes a large majority of the WASCC are backwards thinking knobs, but

The main push from avescos POV for a street circut is money, at wanners, they only get a cut of the gate take, the private boxes etc, because its WASCC's track, a street circut changes all this, avesco takes total control, spoon out a fee to the likes of say events corp for organising it, but take all the gate take, private/corprate boxes, everything

its the main reaon they push so hard for street races over circuts, it removes the local tracks getting a cash windfall for hosting the race...

which given the events of adelaide, proove what a fucking stupid and dangerous idea they are, no run off's, barries right againbst the racing line, they're real clever..

[SircatmaN]

http://www.wascc.com.au/Statement%20from%20the%20President%20of%20the%20WA %20Sporting%20Car%20Club.pdf

hahaha they only just found out... btw most of this letter is BS aswell, but then all they have left is to spin shit.
And where they say that they want the government to put money into the track is funny because the current "GM" Rob Janney told The West Australian that they DON'T want the government to spend money on there track and to go build one somewhere else...

Make up your mind guys!

[Clontarf[X]]

They need a new secretary by the looks of things too.

[SircatmaN]

Sorry to go slightly off-topic here guys but I just got word that the WASCC committee is watching this topic (as expected) and keeping printed copies of our posts (I suspect, mainly mine).

So I figured I'd leave them a message since they no longer have there own forum for suspect reasons...

If you are going to print out my posts to keep atleast perhaps reply to these posts... or can you not think of anyway to excuse yourselves for what you've done?

Also telling your staff that you will fire them if they talk to myself or Craig... that sounds very ILLEGAL to me and has been noted :)

A little warning guys. You think you are watching me? Big Brother is watching you... ;)

Also in talks of a new track I've heard that its unlikely that the track designs posted on the previous page will go ahead? Its a shame because it looked like a decent setup. Does anyone know why they are having troubles setting up these new tracks? or is it just a fundings thing?

[SircatmaN]

Sorry to double post but I thought people might find this interesting.

We(the WASCC members) now have a new GM according to the website. Now I personally have a few problems with this. First of all hes a Committee member aswell... wtf? hmmmm... anyway, secondly we havn't been given anything to show if he has successfully run buisness's previously and how well these business's are doing.

If you ask me it looks like the committee just found a way to run the business aswell. Isn't that illegal? I don't know, maybe we need to read over the laws and also the wascc own rules, etc.

Anyway link is here.
http://www.wascc.com.au/080616%20-%20New%20GM%20introduction.pdf

And yes WASCC committee do feel free to print this post out as you have my other ones.