? turbo mods and approx. costs 4 EB 6cyl ?

[v8souproar]

ive got a few things im wondering about as i am seriously considering turbocharging an EB 6cyl MPI (mummys car)

1. approx. cost of stainless intercooler piping? about 8 bends and 1-1.5m in length. i know this is a bit rational as its pretty hard to estimate costs but any idea would be good.

2. internal or external wastegate? i m swaying towards internal as its cheaper...and prob all i need 4 my power goals. athough any other opinions would be good to hear and i might learn sumthing.

i was thinkin of a t04 or larger, any ideas?or is anyone selling a suitable turbo?

im not chasing huge power just something around the 200rwKw+ range and not over the top. id be running max of about 6-8psi.

major mods will be:
upgraded fuel pump
possibly bigger inj's or an extra one individually controlled
custom chip

any other things i need to think about?

[SimonR32]

it would be way cheaper and just about as good 2 supercharge it. i think you can get kits for under $2000

1. For just the piping anywhere from 700-1000, thats not including the cooler.
2. For the turbo you will need anywhere from 1000-2000 depends if you want new or second hand for a t04.

Other mods you will need to think about would be:
-exhaust manifold
-aftermarket cpu (microtech, wolf etc etc)
-full engine rebuild with forgies, rods etc etc
-full exhaust
-upgraded fuel pump
-bigger injectors
-aftermarket air filter
-new diff (lsd)
-upgraded brakes
-upgraded suspension

there is no use having more power if u cant use it. Good luck if you end up doing it as it will cost a fortune.

[v8souproar]

the motor has been rebuilt although stock, they can take max 9psi without aftermarket computer, just well tuned.
the suspension, brakes, an electronic shift kit, different air intake, LSD, FULL exhaust are all mandatory things when modifying a car like this, just didnt think of typin it in.
but im mainly wondering on what turbo setup will need as ive accounted 4 all other mods.

[SimonR32]

how much u planning to budget for?

[SimonR32]

i dont know but im sure you can find out yourself

also look at this
http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2236/article.html

[SimonR32]

go to www.speedworks.com.au

they made a 10sec falcon 6 so maybe head into there and have a chat to them about it

[v8souproar]

i dont know but im sure you can find out yourself

also look at this
http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2236/article.html
i have thought about N/A as well but i want to go the turbo option as there is plenty of potential later on if i want a lot more power.

[SimonR32]

can i ask a stupid question?

hehe i guess i didnt give u a option but anyways

why turbo a falcon, it will cost heaps and will still be a falcon. no-one will insure it and you could get a heaps better car for the same price or even less!

[zeroyon]

There is an interesting article in Zoom mag called "work horse wake up"

worth a read for you .... it has twin turbo falcon six with run down of build and costings.

...

[GhostFc3s]

There is lots of info about this on performance forums alot of quick turbocharged ford 6s there.

If your going t04 then you probably have to go external gate, unless you purchase one of the BA falcon turbos, which wouldnt be a bad idea.

Also im pretty sure speedworks had very little to do with the actual build up of that supercharged 6, but the less said about that the better.

[v8souproar]

yep ive got that issue of zoom, its got a lot of very good info and has helped me
see the light!

ive been thinkin of it more and my main concern now is intercooler and piping cost
there is stuff all room behind the front bumper and i would prefer not to put on an aftermarket one as i the money could be better spent on a better intercooler system, or water injection even?

the options i thought of to keep the cost to a min. were:

1. relocate battery to boot, and use vortech water air intercooler in its place as in the ZOOM ba xr6 turbo, ill have too see how much they cost...

2. use larger turbo (as this lessens the heat of the charge air ) and maybe big injector before the compressor wheel to cool it a tiny bit plus more fuel 4 the motor.
ADV.small/short amount of pipework therefore less pressure lost aswell.

3. use aftermarket bumper and intercooler to suit -disadv. most expensive pipework and at least $500 (estimate) for the bumper.

or
4. water injection but may cost the most though.

[bodybodyrock]

if u put a injector infront of the comp wheel itll put fuel in there yeah, but when it goes through the cooler itll just leave a nice puddle in the bottom wont it

[v8souproar]

if u put a injector infront of the comp wheel itll put fuel in there yeah, but when it goes through the cooler itll just leave a nice puddle in the bottom wont it
i was thinkin without an intercooler for that setup, i prob should have written it in...

[SST Steve]

Did you know that new XR6T Exhaust manifolds and Turbos bolt right on to single cam Ford 6s?

[v8souproar]

i actually was thinkin about that, but thought they might cost more than i am budgeting.

can they be bought from ford?
i was doubting i would find many second hand as you would have to be chasing pretty high power to want to change them. but ill have a look into it

thanks 4 giving me the motovation.

[SST Steve]

Manifold from Ford but the Turbo can be found at most porformance shops now.

[RooF]

ME LOOKS AT MY AU...... hrrrrm :)

T66 and 6 speed manual...

But its still a boat isnt it?? not worth wasting the $$ on em

[v8souproar]

rang up ford only $835 trade price. not bad at all, i have been told the BAs have "oval" shaped ports.
im assuming i would be able to port match the head? would there be enough meat in there?

[SST Steve]

You guys should see how easy the Factory XR6s make power and a very low boost.

[magic1]

fair call Steve but they are playing with 4L

[v8souproar]

a guy on fordforums posted this:

"i've got a ba falcon turbo manifold , and to fit my ED head i'm making a plate to go between the head and the manifold, 25mm thick and to fit ed head on one side, and ba turbo on the other.

The port holes are close enough to each other that i could get a 27mm drill thou, then have to grind it out to siut each side.

the bolt holes don't match dead on, but you would get one side to go in, but the other side wouldn't. same distance between holes, just different angles the holes are on."

[SST Steve]

Ive seen an AU with the manifold bolted on with no adaptors.

[v8souproar]

cheers 4 clearing that up.

SST Steve - what type of turbo comp./turbine A/R's should i be lookin at?
i was thinkin .60 - .70 for the comp. and 1.00 and above for the turbine, what are your thoughts?
ill be runnin 8 psi max.
if no intercooler - water injection plus
i want to go bigger than usual to lessen heat in the intake charge. i know the T66 works well, does anyone know what there a/r ratios are?

[SST Steve]

Andy buttler has Ford manifolds that fit without mods now.
We are using one of Dylans brazillian turbos on our current XR6 turbo conversion after seeing how strong they perform.

[gt4]

true its still a boat, y bother. with the money u r gonna spend, u can get an import. youll be happy with your purchase, trust me.

[v8souproar]

to the people who want me to buy another car
this is why:

i want a 4 door
a car with a mountain of torque
im slack, i want an auto - no good auto 6cyl import is cheap
parts and knowledge is plentiful
cops wont pick on me, coz its not an import
i will be able to tow a boat :P or caravan or another car
im a burnout freak
something DIFFERENT
plus the air-con has been regassed/converted to R134a and the motor's been rebuilt

and plus i am a huge car freak so i wanna do some mods and learn more.

and its not gonna cost a heap anyway, ive worked out ALL my sums and it aint gonna go over $5000 for the turbo conversion.....

gt4 - from a drivers perspective i can see what u mean about imports, a while ago i test drove a 87 GT4 and it was a real drivers car - handing, driving posi and a bit of power but didnt end up gettin it coz my loan didnt go thru in time.

[gt4]

:werd:

[Remix]

"gt4 - from a drivers perspective i can see what u mean about imports, a while ago i test drove a 87 GT4 and it was a real drivers car - handing, driving posi and a bit of power but didnt end up gettin it coz my loan didnt go thru in time."

Go the ST165! :)

[ZERO]

Hey,

im goin for a turbo on my XR6 soon.

T 61
54 pound injectors
std bottom end
NON INTERCOOED
external wg
custom exhaust mani
cam

easy peezy, cost about 4k
but the trick is to be able to tune it well, why i gots me a EMS.

aiming for 380rwhp, should be easy
8psi, and from heremore boost is welcomed, but i like my gear box(shitty T5)

[djphambo]

yeah im thinking of turboing my mx6, and just going through the sums myself.. plus i gotta do that shizzle of a dizzle of research..... good luck with ur project dude

[v8souproar]

thanx djphambo, ur mx6 should be a bit easier with all the japan support and since earlier models came out with em. i wonder if the your mx-6 model came out as a turbo in japan aswell?

[v8souproar]

well ive pretty much worked out my plan , i done a lot of research so it hopefully should go together well, but knowing cars there will be 1 or 2 hiccups, hopefully u guys might be able to giv me some tips so it goes a bit smoother.

turbo- im lookin at gettin a/r ratios of .70 for the comp. and 1.06+ for the turbine hopefully around 1.15

some of the turbos ive been told will work well are the t66, GT37e and GT40

using at least a 38mm wastegate and prob just a bosch blow off valve to keep cost to a min

exhaust- replace centre mufflers with one high flowing straight thru muffler and cut off rear muffler and replace with 2.5 pipe this will just give me a bit more go and a better note until the turbo gets done, and i will also use it for the first stage of the turbo conversion. yeh i know the restriction will be huge and will restrict the power quite a lot but it will work until i get the funds for a complete system.
-put a 3.5" dump pipe to the cat

-bosch 975 fuel pump (2nd hand from merc 380/500/600SEL) mounted in-tank
-malpassi 2:1 rising rate reg
-insulated pvc pipe for air filter to compressor
-s/s piping for compressor outlet to intake manifold

other things
-air/fuel, boost, fuel pressure, oil temp and air temp guages
-twin EL thermo fans
-put battery in boot
gearbox - tranny cooler w/fan
and i have already installed an electronic shift kit cost ~$10 disconnected s3/s4 solenoids and put a 27 ohm resistor "in place of each
Diff- tightened 4-pin LSD

the first stage will be up to 6psi as thats the max the injectors can deliver fuel for.

2nd stage
-possibly use an electronic boost control using jaycar kits
-full mandrel bent 3 inch exhaust, maybe 3.5" if enough money and clearance.

3rd stage ~ 12psi
-aftermarket ecu
-35lb+ injectors
should have the 1st stage done by mid next year at the latest.

any other things i should consider?

[djphambo]

yeah thats true.. it is easier coz of the jap support. In japan however, there was no turbo jap spec engine for the GEN II.

There was however 3 versions of the engine.
1) 2.0 L kL ~100kw
2) 2.5 L kL03 ~120kw
3) 2.5 L kLze ~150kw

in australia we only have the kL03 120Kw, but everything has to be custom made if I want to turbo it...
does anyone know roughly what size turbo i should put on? i was thinking a T25 from a wrx... its small but i just want a bit of extra oomph.. or i could go for a T04 or something???

[maddog]

try looking at this thread
http://www.fordforums.com/showthread.php?t=78191
Stock engine and auto and puts out a flat 13sec qtr with just a turbo bolted on

[v8souproar]

try looking at this thread
http://www.fordforums.com/showthread.php?t=78191
Stock engine and auto and puts out a flat 13sec qtr with just a turbo bolted on
im sure i posted a reply here...well yeh that is the thread that gave me the inspiration to look into it further. its an awesome car that, with the intercooler hes puttin on, the limit of the engine will be seen. if he gets some traction flat 12's will be had easily........high 11's very possible

[JME]

The EF XR6 that alltune engineering/speedworks bolted a supercharger too with some ingenius crank bearing supports, makes over 550 at the rears with factory internals. This car currently runs mid 10's with slicks with a tremec. Get a decent ecu and a tuner (good luck) and a good 8 - 10k will make you nice hp with all required ancillaries.