Yellow Sticker help

[RB MAN]

Hey guys and gurls,

Have abit of a drama got a yellow sticker on the weekend for no f**ken reason! and now i have till thursday to take it down to the examination centre to get an extension how ever i dont want to go over with out a cat converter! would be kind of suss seeing as there is just a straight through pipe there now which is differnt color, lol.

Anyone got one that i could borrow that would be awesome! exhaust is 3"
for a 1994 r33 gtst skyline! PM or my mobile is 0421487608. will pay to borrow! what ever!

thanks

[luke20t]

how about go to an exhaust shop and get a shell put on

[iluv2moan]

i went over pits wqith brand new magnaflow cat which was beatifully tigged welded up etc

dude at pits grabbed a screwdriver and went to ply open the heat shield of the cat - when i told him "what the fuck do u think your doing" he replyed.. "well yes it does look professionally installed" and put the screwdriver away

[luke20t]

really.. wat pits did u go to?
RB MAN dont u also have a screamer pipe of ya gate?
which also needs to be fixed..

[iluv2moan]

that was warick about 3 years ago

[RB MAN]

Yeah there are a few things i need to get done but i am going to try not to get the screamer pipe done! just the cat!

by the cat is all sorted now!
and there is a place in rockingham where i live is apparently dodgy so hopefully a carton of piss a few 100 dollar notes will get that sorted!! so my fellow mechanics at holden (ones i used to work with)tell me

[vy ss ute m6]

think its called rocko auto centre or something...safety bay rd, next to the gull, that where i took a gemini a few years back, passed it no worries. worth a shot....

[RB MAN]

Yeah i think i twas them but another place alled Marino's as well.

i dont think i would ever take my car to a proper DPI examination centre, abit strict

[vy ss ute m6]

Marrino's yeh...from what I was told they're a bit stricter...also try Stirling Engine Reconditioners, Dixon Rd...seen some of teh cars some couriers took over there :o Eeeek.

[Brockas]

fuck I'm considering driving to rocko!

[RB MAN]

lol paul! hehe

[ben351]

fuck I'm considering driving to rocko!

dont ever ... ever ever ever ever EVER say that man

[McLOVIN]

So you have no cat and a screamer pipe but you got a yellow sticker for no reason? How exactly does that work?

[CyberNetiC]

just unbolt ya screamer off the wastegate so you cant see the pipe from the underside of the car and hope the mofo doesnt hit boost.

[1JZNOSHIT]

ive been pulled over after gating passed a cop, who then told me my catless exhaust was completely illegal but he let me go. maybe you dont get yellows for no cat and screamer pipes here :D

[1JZNOSHIT]

if you have an aftermarket ecu, change the rev limit to like 5000rpm.

[RB MAN]

i meant i was doing nothing wrong to get the yellow! he had no idea the car had that! it will get sorted when i leave. going into the workshop and get sorted when it is there! suppose we all go through it as a stage! just a matter of time!

[McLOVIN]

You don't actually have to do anything wrong to get a defect. It's about the car, not you. Clearly the car is not roadworthy and deserved the defect.

Just be grateful the cop didn't get you for everything he could have.

[ben351]

is this the NSW section ?

[Skitzo]

pretty sure this section is open to everyone....

[ben351]

sorry ... i smelt bacon for a second.

[RB MAN]

tellin me he sounds like a cop!

so its soooo bad that it is louder than usally! WOW sue me!

from the start the cop was F**K head! and had no idea about cars
I have had this car for 4 years now have not had any problems till now!

[McLOVIN]

That the best you can come up with?

[ben351]

sorry officer.

[RB MAN]

could do better but i dont want to hurt your feelings!
sorry officer x2

and what could he get me for! he was by him self no witnesses nothing! so how could he get me for everything i got! ok yeah then he woke up! he had sweet stuff all on me to get me for everything... Mate

[McLOVIN]

You say that like you're revealing some big secret. Those who know me know what I do. I'm proud of what I do. If you have a problem with it, then the problem is yours.

[Brockas]

You don't actually have to do anything wrong to get a defect. It's about the car, not you. Clearly the car is not roadworthy and deserved the defect.

Spoken like a true cop who believes his own propoganda.

I'd love you to justify most yellow stickers (ie. too low, too dark). Obviously a lower centre of gravity makes the car "unroadworthy".

[RB MAN]

Good for you! i am sure your a really nice person but i dont know u so i would have no idea but how you speak on here! accusing then there is a problem, but hey i am not one to start anything!

but maybe a cop should know what he give s a yellow sticker for first, rather than just giving it because the car is modified! trust me these stickers should be on old piece of shit cars not ones that are clean in the engine bay and look presentable! anyways there is no point fighting about this

its done now i need to get it off

[ben351]

You say that like you're revealing some big secret. Those who know me know what I do. I'm proud of what I do. If you have a problem with it, then the problem is yours.

I have no problem officer.

i hope your proud of what you do ... cos if you guys didnt like what you do then you would act like arseholes and pull people over and slap them with yellows for bullshit reasons ... oh ... hangon ...

[McLOVIN]

Any change from standard specs technically makes a car unroadworthy until those changes are approved by an engineer.

I really don't have to justify myself to any of you. I've only ever issued 1 defect and that was for a car that lost its brakes.

Perhaps some of you should try growing up and thinking about others rather than dwelling on yourselves and how hard done by you are. Then you might begin to understand the purpose of defect notices.

[ben351]

so your saying if i care for Paul a little bit more .... ill be able to understand why i got a yellow sticker ?

ok ... Paul ... got some beers bro ?

we got some caring to do ...

[McLOVIN]

That's pretty funny. Wait, what's the opposite of funny? Yeah that's the one.

[RB MAN]

un road worthy my car is far from it! and i am sure alot of people that get yellows are also! yes some arent! trust me i have had a lot of cops pull me over open my bonnet and actually admire what they see in front of there eyes, why because it is neat and does not look dodgy at all! but hey u will always have that one!

and dont worry i have already started filling out these bloody permit papers! 25% more power need certificate! fare enough, but its not the car it is the driver but yeah

[McLOVIN]

So why were you pulled over in the first place?

[RB MAN]

i was doing 100km by the time i hit the 100km sign.

but the way the on ramp looks, its physics really it looks faster

[ben351]

oh c'mon officer ... where your sense of humour Cunstable ?

Paul poses a proper question ... 9 out of 10 yellows are bullshit ... your therory is im too self obsessed to understand why i got one.

makes no sense officer.

[McLOVIN]

i was doing 100km by the time i hit the 100km sign.

but the way the on ramp looks, its physics really it looks faster

So you were speeding. What was the speed limit before you hit the 100kph sign?

[ben351]

if i was black you wouldnt be so mean to me .... racist kunt.

[RB MAN]

all i know is by the time i hit the 100km sign i was doing 100km, like when i was dead in line with the sign!

[Skitzo]

haha... wow u got perfect timing...

[RB MAN]

thats it mate :P

[McLOVIN]

all i know is by the time i hit the 100km sign i was doing 100km, like when i was dead in line with the sign!

So you had to be speeding unless it was a 110 zone before you got to the 100 zone. This would be why you were pulled up in the first place.

What did the cop say to you when he pulled you up? The truth would be nice here.

[RB MAN]

Well he was by himself probably on the way home just like i was! he said it looked like you were going pretty fast because i was getting in front of him! but i know i swear on my life that he got on the brakes and slowed right down to make it look it.

that is the fucken truth!

[Skitzo]

he said it was on an onramp.... so would of been acceleratig to 100 to get onto the freeway... and that he hit 100 just as he got in line with the sign...

at leasts thats what im reading here...

[RB MAN]

he said it was on an onramp.... so would of been acceleratig to 100 to get onto the freeway... and that he hit 100 just as he got in line with the sign...

at leasts thats what im reading here...

and that is what happened!

[McLOVIN]

So the speed limit would be the same before the sign as whatever road he just turned off.

How fast the cop was going isn't really relevant if you were going faster than you should have been. You've said you were going 100 when you hit the sign. That means you were going faster than the previous speed limit. It's pretty simple to figure out why he pulled you up.

How did it go from speeding to defects? That usually only happens if there is something clearly wrong with the car, or you've acted like a complete tool and pissed him off.

I can understand that you're pissed off because you're out of pocket getting it all sorted, but if you had done it right in the first place you wouldn't have had anything for the cop to defect. You've admitted that the car has illegal modifications, but you're just pissed that you've been caught out.

[Skitzo]

i ahve been pulled over for no reason as well before.... P plates, sat night, 3 guys int he car.... stop at traffic lights... see a cop car pull up behind me... take of normally cause i know they r there.... get pulled over anyway... apparantly i was travelling a bit fast through the intersection.... how fast can a 1.5L excel go with 3 guys in the car in 20m

[McLOVIN]

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. It's just that everyone seems to have a cry about getting pulled over for no reason every time they get wheeled. I guess it just gives them something to whinge about.

[RB MAN]

To be honest with you i was acting like a tool towards yeah i said fuck a few times but not to him! my car is clean! the main reason was because i didnt have permits but i do know for a fact if the car modifications are just enhacning the standard parts then its fine and its done in a proper shop!

i am new to this yellow sticker stuff so yeah.

but come on by the time i hit the sign and i am doing 100km! everyone does it!

[Skitzo]

with the speeding thing... your right... to be doing 100 at the sign he would of been speeding... a bit harsh but thats the way it is... i agree with u there...

[McLOVIN]

To be honest with you i was acting like a tool towards yeah i said fuck a few times but not to him! my car is clean! the main reason was because i didnt have permits but i do know for a fact if the car modifications are just enhacning the standard parts then its fine and its done in a proper shop!

i am new to this yellow sticker stuff so yeah.

but come on by the time i hit the sign and i am doing 100km! everyone does it!

I think we can all agree that your modifications go a bit beyond the basic owner-approved changes. What you know for a fact seems to be incorrect in this case.

"Everyone does it" does not make it right. I think it's just a case of copping it on the chin and learning from the experience.

[RB MAN]

aw i will cop it on the chin this time!

and it better not happen again when i have permits for my mods

[Kilma]

Cops don't make the laws, they just enforce them.

Yes, there are those idiots out there on a power trip, but in my history, most of them have been fairly level headed good people, and when they have gone off, I have been the one in the wrong.

[iluv2moan]

i got a yellow sticker on a granny spec saab because the bottem half of the rear seats wernt in as they were getting retrimmed as the leather had cracked and made the car look shithouse (i the driver was only person in car)

was initially pulled over for wearing no seatbelt

"we are giving u a yellow sticker however will let u off with the seat belt infringment"

[McLOVIN]

aw i will cop it on the chin this time!

and it better not happen again when i have permits for my mods

I have no doubts it will happen again after you get permits. However, the best thing you can do if it does happen is refrain from losing the plot and going off your tits at the cop giving the defect. Just keep quiet and remember that you have permits (provided it's something you have a permit for that's getting the defect in the first place), and that the car will pass inspection with no worries.

Sure it may mean a day off work (which we all enjoy) but it also means you won't have to make changes or repairs (provided the item hasn't deteriorate or been damaged since the permit was issued).

Too many people go psycho when they get defected for something they have a permit/engineer certificate for. That only leads to more hassles cause the cops get the shits with you. Just deal with it as it comes safe in the knowledge you'll be in the clear.

[Corey]

Sure it may mean a day off work (which we all enjoy) but it also means you won't have to make changes or repairs (provided the item hasn't deteriorate or been damaged since the permit was issued).



just so u know, most the time going to the pits having a "day off" the day off is spent ....at the pits.... and nothing else.

stupid fucking lines and waiting

[vside180]

just so u know, most the time going to the pits having a "day off" the day off is spent ....at the pits.... and nothing else.

stupid fucking lines and waiting

with the pits down rocky way, i just booked my car in at a time. rocked up then, no waiting in lines, was in and out with in 30 minutes. another good reason too go down too rockingham

[Miami]

So you had to be speeding unless it was a 110 zone before you got to the 100 zone. This would be why you were pulled up in the first place.

That is bullshlt.

If you are saying that technically, accelerating from one speed zone (say 80km/h on the freeway) to another speed zone (100km/h on freeway) over the 200m or so you are in sight of the 100km/h sign, is speeding, then that is utterly ridiculous.

By the same logic, going from an 100km/h zone down to a 80km/h zone, I am entitled to do 100km/h right up until the 80 sign, then jump on the brakes til I hit 80.

I note that WA is the only state in Australia that is technically allowed to place speed cameras within 200m of a change of speed zone - so that they can catch out all of those drivers who think "I am about to enter a faster speed zone, I will gradually accelerate over the next few huindred meters so that I am matching that speed zone by the time I enter it".

If police were serious about using defect notices for the purposes of road safety, they would defect bunky cars with dead/pulling brakes, serious rust, non-operating head/tail lights, etc. The number of times you see a bunky, clapped out old gemini/P76/work van that has not seen a shred of maintenance for the majority of its life on the road is a disgrace - and these cars are still capable of doing sufficient speeds to kill someone, but they sure as shlt wont stop/offer any safety.

[Brockas]

Any change from standard specs technically makes a car unroadworthy until those changes are approved by an engineer.

I really don't have to justify myself to any of you. I've only ever issued 1 defect and that was for a car that lost its brakes.

haha!!

Well you're obviously not a traffic cop then?

I'll be honest, every cop who's pulled me up has been a decent bloke, probably because I'm not a fuckhead to them.

It's not so much the cops who are the problem, it's the laws they are enforcing, many of which don't make sense (ie, minimum height).
The law just gives the rare "fuckwit cop" justification for being an asshole.


As for the speeding issue, if you're going 80 till the sign, then it changes to 100km/h and you have 200m to merge with traffic going 100km/h, you could "technically" be charged for excessive acceleration under section 66 of the misuse of motor vehicle act (hoon law).

It's about being reasonable, and what you have to understand is there are a minority in your profession who are on a 'power trip', which taints the reputation of the rest and creates the hatred that you're seeing in this thread...

[1JZNOSHIT]

emo pingpingpingpings everywhere.yellow stickers are just part of owning a modified import.

its near on impossible to highly modifiy a turbo import and not have an unpermitted/illegal mod fitted before getting pulled up by a cop. every time i get pulled over by cops, regardless of what I was doing or why i am pulled up, i expect to be giving a yellow sticker, and if i dont, its a bonus.

the rules of whats legal and whats not and how its is enforced is such a massive grey area and totally misrepresented by traffic cops and pit inspectors which has lead me to expect a yellow every time im pulled up.

cop it on the chin, and move on with minimal fuss i say, its not worth the hassle arguing the point everytime.

[McLOVIN]

just so u know, most the time going to the pits having a "day off" the day off is spent ....at the pits.... and nothing else.

stupid fucking lines and waiting


As has been suggested, go somewhere else then. Or perhaps take a book and get in some reading. You do remember reading right?



That is bullshlt.

If you are saying that technically, accelerating from one speed zone (say 80km/h on the freeway) to another speed zone (100km/h on freeway) over the 200m or so you are in sight of the 100km/h sign, is speeding, then that is utterly ridiculous.

By the same logic, going from an 100km/h zone down to a 80km/h zone, I am entitled to do 100km/h right up until the 80 sign, then jump on the brakes til I hit 80.

I note that WA is the only state in Australia that is technically allowed to place speed cameras within 200m of a change of speed zone - so that they can catch out all of those drivers who think "I am about to enter a faster speed zone, I will gradually accelerate over the next few huindred meters so that I am matching that speed zone by the time I enter it".

If police were serious about using defect notices for the purposes of road safety, they would defect bunky cars with dead/pulling brakes, serious rust, non-operating head/tail lights, etc. The number of times you see a bunky, clapped out old gemini/P76/work van that has not seen a shred of maintenance for the majority of its life on the road is a disgrace - and these cars are still capable of doing sufficient speeds to kill someone, but they sure as shlt wont stop/offer any safety.

Is it really that difficult to comprehend the concept of speeding? Exceeding the posted speed limit, regardless of the circumstances, is speeding. It's not rocket surgery.

As for hitting the picks the moment you hit a lower speed limit, you're just being childish now.

Do WA cars have to have annual inspections, or only when you buy/sell/get defected? Perhaps put the blame on the policy makers rather than the enforcers. Or maybe that's too difficult for you to understand. All you see is the bloke in uniform and everything that's wrong in the world is his fault because he pulled you over when YOU were doing the wrong thing.

Grow up.



haha!!

Well you're obviously not a traffic cop then?

I'll be honest, every cop who's pulled me up has been a decent bloke, probably because I'm not a fuckhead to them.

It's not so much the cops who are the problem, it's the laws they are enforcing, many of which don't make sense (ie, minimum height).
The law just gives the rare "fuckwit cop" justification for being an asshole.


As for the speeding issue, if you're going 80 till the sign, then it changes to 100km/h and you have 200m to merge with traffic going 100km/h, you could "technically" be charged for excessive acceleration under section 66 of the misuse of motor vehicle act (hoon law).

It's about being reasonable, and what you have to understand is there are a minority in your profession who are on a 'power trip', which taints the reputation of the rest and creates the hatred that you're seeing in this thread...


I think I have some idea of the makeup of my profession. Thanks for the tips though. I'll be sure to take them on board.

And re: the laws not making sense. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it's wrong. Perhaps there should be explanations for regulations like these so that people can begin to understand why certain modifications can actually cause safety issues as well as or instead of handling or performance enhancements. People don't seem to realise that sometimes what is good for the track is bad for the road.


emo pingpingpingpings everywhere.yellow stickers are just part of owning a modified import.

its near on impossible to highly modifiy a turbo import and not have an unpermitted/illegal mod fitted before getting pulled up by a cop. every time i get pulled over by cops, regardless of what I was doing or why i am pulled up, i expect to be giving a yellow sticker, and if i dont, its a bonus.

the rules of whats legal and whats not and how its is enforced is such a massive grey area and totally misrepresented by traffic cops and pit inspectors which has lead me to expect a yellow every time im pulled up.

cop it on the chin, and move on with minimal fuss i say, its not worth the hassle arguing the point everytime.


Finally someone with half a clue and some common sense. Why is that so rare amongst this group?

[iluv2moan]

...and just because it sounds like a good idea... it doesnt always mean its right

surely loosing a day off work ($250) to pay 80 dollars to go over the pits because a cop thought u may have changed your car since getting it permitted would be frustrating. its a big financial loss

[Kilma]

yellow stickers are just part of owning a modified vehicle.
It's not just the imports that are targeted.

[RB MAN]

the only reason why the hand out so many yellow stickers because its a bloody revenue making scheme, maybe this f**ken state needs to build a toll bridge so then they can make money that way! gateway bridge in brisbane! thats why cops are so good over there when i lived there! state makes there money already.

they dont bother with fucken cars!

Mind u alot of jealous cops out there...

[1JZNOSHIT]

It's not just the imports that are targeted.

agreed, sorry. applicable to all modes of transport.

[Miami]

Is it really that difficult to comprehend the concept of speeding? Exceeding the posted speed limit, regardless of the circumstances, is speeding. It's not rocket surgery.

As for hitting the picks the moment you hit a lower speed limit, you're just being childish now.

Do WA cars have to have annual inspections, or only when you buy/sell/get defected? Perhaps put the blame on the policy makers rather than the enforcers. Or maybe that's too difficult for you to understand. All you see is the bloke in uniform and everything that's wrong in the world is his fault because he pulled you over when YOU were doing the wrong thing.

Grow up.

FYI I have never *touchwood* been yellow stickered - and yes, I concede that there are modifications on my car that would probably warrant one - BUT I moderate my driving behaviour on the street such that I dont draw attention to myself. I HAVE however been pulled over whilst crawling along in peak hour traffic to cop a lecture from an officer about how dangerous my car is and how I would need to watch my driving in it because he would hoon law me first chance he got. I simply informed him it was also a very safe car, with ABS and traction control, impact protection etc, and that I wasnt aware I had displayed any driving behaviour sitting in my own lane in peak hour traffic that could possibly have been considered dangerous or worthy of being hoon lawed. It is THAT sort of attitude that riles me. I have also had my car inspected after pulling out of HJs in the early evening and briefly not realising I had my lights off - and the officers were reasonable in simply reminding me to put my lights on, and then on inspecting my car, simply saying "it all looks well maintained and presented, so unless we catch you doing something stupid, you're fine mate". There should be more cops like them on the road, and less like the first guy.

My issue is with law/rule enforcers who disregard the spirit/intention of the laws that are made, and instead decide to blindly/vindictively apply them to the letter in an overbearing way. I get just as fired up at umpires who pay tiggy-touchwood decisions in sport that "technically" may have been there, but had no impact on the game whatsoever until they were penalised.

If you wish to apply the law to the letter, ie penalise someone for accelerating into a new speed zone, then its hypocritical to use the "be reasonable" line in the opposite situation (decelerating into a new speed zone).

No, we dont have vehicle roadworthiness inspections on regular occurrences here - and I agree we probably should.

However, I also believe that there should be mandatory and regularly tested traffic/vehicle modification regulations knowledge and mechanical education given to traffic cops - it is a specialised area of policing, and one that is constantly having its laws updated - any other specialised profession expects those that are practicing in it to keep up to date. The number of traffic cops who have no idea about cars, and the number of times you get conflicting information from official sources (cops, pits, etc) on legality of mods etc is pathetic.

[ScReAm-R]

So you got pulled over, big whoop heaps of ppl do, so you got a sticker, that sucks, but just cause your car is "clean" does not mean its roadworthy. If you want to drive a car with illegal mods then accept that when you get pulled over, good chance is you will get a canary. Suck it up man.

[McLOVIN]

If you wish to apply the law to the letter, ie penalise someone for accelerating into a new speed zone, then its hypocritical to use the "be reasonable" line in the opposite situation (decelerating into a new speed zone).


I don't think it's hypocritical to expect someone to obey the road rules whilst still maintaining safe driving habits.

If your car can decelerate from 100kph to 80kph or less in an instant (without the assistance of a solid object) then perhaps you should be applying for some patents and make some bulk coin selling your magic braking system to car manufacturers. Have a think about the people driving behind you and the fact that their cars probably can't stop on a dime. It's not about being reasonable in that case, it's about being safe and sensible.




However, I also believe that there should be mandatory and regularly tested traffic/vehicle modification regulations knowledge and mechanical education given to traffic cops - it is a specialised area of policing, and one that is constantly having its laws updated - any other specialised profession expects those that are practicing in it to keep up to date. The number of traffic cops who have no idea about cars, and the number of times you get conflicting information from official sources (cops, pits, etc) on legality of mods etc is pathetic.

All general duties police have to do mandatory training once or twice a year that includes traffic training. Most will also have a specific traffic training day to keep everyone fresh and up to date on traffic legislation as well as police policies for safe driving and what-not. The simple fact is that you cannot expect all police to hold mechanical trade qualifications. Many Highway Patrol cops do have mechanical backgrounds, but it's a little unreasonable to expect us all to have the same knowledge as someone who earns their money playing with cars. A lot of mechanics don't have a fucking clue either, so that's not much help.

[Brockas]

I think I have some idea of the makeup of my profession. Thanks for the tips though. I'll be sure to take them on board.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

Obviously you only see it from one perspective, but whats the point having a discussion with someone who's already convinced themselves they're always right.

[ben351]

he is a cop.

they are always right.

only difference is, we still get 8 hrs sleep.

[RB MAN]

and earn more!!

[ben351]

and people like us.

[DCIEVE]

been pulled over plenty of times and each time being polite and pulling eng papers and permits straight out makes them happy. if you dont have the permits (+ eng papers if there is serious work) you need to expect yellows.

[Corey]

As has been suggested, go somewhere else then. Or perhaps take a book and get in some reading. You do remember reading right?

is there really any need to be like that? i was simply saying something....

[Remix]

is there really any need to be like that? i was simply saying something....

No wonder there is so much bloody crime on our streets, fuking cops spending all their time on car forums!

[Skitzo]

hahah corey.... did u get told off for swearing

[RB MAN]

Yeah cops should worry about little gurls gettin raped, people getting mugged, killed, people gettin dragged into kinds park, robbing stores, it takes them fucken 2 hours to get to a robbery by then someones dead! but who cares,

honestly and they think having a modded car is such a crime. buuuulll shit

[TJ]

Finally someone with half a clue and some common sense. Why is that so rare amongst this group?

If you dont like the group, dont let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Typical Rob, just stirs to run his own agenda.

[ben351]

If my old man was a cop .... id be telling people he was the Freo Dockers captain instead .... less shame in admitting that

[Joe]

If my old man was a cop .... id be telling people he was the Freo Dockers captain instead .... less shame in admitting that

Thats like trying to decide whether to tell people you contracted AIDS via unprotected butt sex, or telling people your a registered sex offender for exposing yourself to school children and invalid pensioners.

[[SPESHAL]]

Yeah cops should worry about little gurls gettin raped, people getting mugged, killed, people gettin dragged into kinds park, robbing stores, it takes them fucken 2 hours to get to a robbery by then someones dead! but who cares,

honestly and they think having a modded car is such a crime. buuuulll shit

You do realise there are different "divisions" within the Police Force? For example, the Traffic Branch. Their job, as their name suggests, is to deal with traffic related issues. I would imagine they are neither trained nor expected to deal with issues such as rape, homicide, etc. We can all agree there are issues with regards to understaffing within the police force, but reading this thread, is that any suprise?

Some of the comments in this thread are laughable. People can't see why dark tint, low cars, etc are illegal? Get real, its pretty obvious. And thats coming from someone whos been yellow stickered for both of the above for example.

Fact is, you play with fire, you expect to get burnt every now and then.

[McLOVIN]

If you dont like the group, dont let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Typical Rob, just stirs to run his own agenda.


You're one to talk about agendas.

[Muppet_Guy]

;233452']You do realise there are different "divisions" within the Police Force? For example, the Traffic Branch. Their job, as their name suggests, is to deal with traffic related issues. I would imagine they are neither trained nor expected to deal with issues such as rape, homicide, etc. We can all agree there are issues with regards to understaffing within the police force, but reading this thread, is that any suprise?

Some of the comments in this thread are laughable. People can't see why dark tint, low cars, etc are illegal? Get real, its pretty obvious. And thats coming from someone whos been yellow stickered for both of the above for example.

Fact is, you play with fire, you expect to get burnt every now and then.

Spot on :boink:

Then again, I still hate the traffic cops, many years ago I got a yellow sticker on my XF falcon, coz the engine leaked oil, and the cop reckon it shouldn't do that. Fark, XF's leaked oil as soon as they left the factory you retard!!!

[RB MAN]

either way traffic cops is where you start in the police force, so what they have the right to think they own the world come on!

i have pulled over my heaps of detectives and knowing a couple of them, they love looking at the car! they see there is nothing wrong with it! and they were once traffic cops! they are not pricks, i have not had one detective who has beena prick towards me never!

traffic cops because they get into the force, which isnt really hard! just be fit a little of common sense, shit your in! think they own the bloody world!

[Muppet_Guy]

Haha, I had a friend of mine who wanted to be a cop, but he got rejected. The rejection letter said that he did not possess the required "psychological profile" whatever that means...

[pgc]

I love how this thread turned from asking for help, to a debate on whether cops are good or bad.

At the end of the day, you get a yellow licky if you're car's unroadworthy. If it's not and you get one, take it over the pits and be done with it. End of story.

It's no use venting. There's going to be people on your side, and not on your side.

[[SPESHAL]]

either way traffic cops is where you start in the police force, so what they have the right to think they own the world come on!

i have pulled over my heaps of detectives and knowing a couple of them, they love looking at the car! they see there is nothing wrong with it! and they were once traffic cops! they are not pricks, i have not had one detective who has beena prick towards me never!

traffic cops because they get into the force, which isnt really hard! just be fit a little of common sense, shit your in! think they own the bloody world!

First paragraph is just plain incorrect.

Second paragraph I agree, and friends of mine in the police force will echo those sentiments also.

Third paragraph just doesnt make sense.

[RB MAN]

alot of things i say dont make sense at the moment! really i just dont give a fuck about cops anymore, these days you think about urself and ur family and ur friends, and fuck everyone else! do what makes u happy!

i fuckn hate traffic cops always have my comments are over i dont care what people say to this reply!

too much other shit to worry about than this! leave for the mines in 2 days, so couldnt really give a fuck.

car will get legal get over the pits,

then it will be round 2 for open gate!!!

[Skitzo]

its also not as easy as u think to become a police officer... need to learn a lot of shit...

[iluv2moan]

parked up next to a cop at a servo today

when i went in to pay they had a quick look at my car and waited for me to return

cops like any reason why your number plate is on drivers side of car

i replied

well ive been given fines from multi novas before and pulled over several time and your the only 1 that has ever said anything about it

i was kindly informed that is was a 100 dollar fine..

they were decent hiway patrol cops

[ossie_21]

lol this thread is gold

I'm in the same situation as Shaun. We have almost identical cars (his base map for tuning was taken from my ecu), and we both got our first yellow stickers within a week of each other. I'm not making this another rant & I'm not looking for sympathy, I'm just giving my story & why I think cops can be unfair at times.

5:30 in the afternoon, I head to the shops to get something to cook dinner. A couple of quick turns & waiting to turn right I see cops doing speed checks the way I will be heading.I pull out, change gears at not even 3k rpm & do the residential speed limit. Literally only about 200m out of my driveway, and I'm waved down by one of them that I only seen last second so I pull over up the street. He walks up & straight away starts looking at my car & asking why I think I got pulled over, then he tells me it was because he heard my bov. He asked if I've had a yellow before, which I hadn't.

Now, in 2 1/2 years of having my car I've only ever been pulled over twice, once for going too quickly through a roundabout (quick chat & guy was understandable), second "randomly" in Northbridge on a Tuesday night by a cop car who pulled out behind me when I was going straight when he was in the right hand turning lane behind 4 other cars. Can't get much more random than that wlfpac???

I've only lost 1 demerit point, almost 2 years ago now & that was out in the hills, on a straight 4 lane road by a multinova. My car is highly modified, but I drive to the rules & have never had a problem. So why am I given a problem by just going to buy some potatoes, right near my house? Yeah you can & probably will throw out the same shit you've been talking about having to just put up with it because it is illegal blah blah blah, but just take your heads out of your arses for a moment & realise the world we are in, that modifications do take place & that to be targeted for the car you drive is just unfair on everyone.

Not a day goes by where I don't see either a car with a smoky (at all times) exhaust, numberplates you can't even read, car's that don't have much stability or don't have lights that work properly. Those are the sort of cars to be targeting, not people going to the shops, not coming onto a freeway, not people who take pride in their cars. If I was speeding or driving like a dickhead I would have no reason to complain about it, but it's pretty sour that I get a yellow for the first time like I did.

It's not just "a day off work", no matter how you claim it. It also meant I couldn't start work on time any more & an hour late on Saturdays. I waited in line for about 2hrs the first time at the pits, then my inspection took over an hour in total because they weren't a fan of the locker diff that they gave me an hour to get the car off the road, & not listening to the fact that I've driven it for 2 1/2 years & havent had a problem. In fact now that I've changed the diff, my locked one feels safer around corners. Yesterday I took it to Welshpool, had the things changed I need to & was told my car has nothing wrong with it. His general attitude to me was that I was only filling in time, they care a lot more about cars to be regoed than yellow stickers for proffessionally built & maintained cars. Oh yeah, Welshpool pits > Midland pits. If yellow stickers are justified for either the way you were driving or a dodgy mod than fair enough, but not for either of us.

[vy ss ute m6]

cops are now targeting metrosexuals...said so on the Ford XR8 ad, take from that what you will...hahaha

[DADDYS]

Im pretty sure its also incouraging drink driving too.

XR8 and beer themes all over

[BOSS 290]

cops are now targeting metrosexuals...said so on the Ford XR8 ad, take from that what you will...hahaha

Looks like most of the antilag crew better watch their backs hahaha

[McLOVIN]

either way traffic cops is where you start in the police force, so what they have the right to think they own the world come on!

i have pulled over my heaps of detectives and knowing a couple of them, they love looking at the car! they see there is nothing wrong with it! and they were once traffic cops! they are not pricks, i have not had one detective who has beena prick towards me never!

traffic cops because they get into the force, which isnt really hard! just be fit a little of common sense, shit your in! think they own the bloody world!

See you were going so well, and then you decided to jump on the bandwagon. I hope it's comfortable.

Every cop starts out in general duties. Traffic or Highway Patrol is a specialised area.

Detectives have more important things to do than issue traffic infringements or defect notices. These types of matters are outside the duty types of detectives anyway. I have a close Detective friend who can't even remember how to write out a ticket. Don't be an even bigger idiot by comparing detectives and general duties or highway patrol.

Getting in isn't terribly difficult. Getting through the training is. You clearly have no idea of what you're talking about, so perhaps it's best that you won't be posting about this any further.


parked up next to a cop at a servo today

when i went in to pay they had a quick look at my car and waited for me to return

cops like any reason why your number plate is on drivers side of car

i replied

well ive been given fines from multi novas before and pulled over several time and your the only 1 that has ever said anything about it

i was kindly informed that is was a 100 dollar fine..

they were decent hiway patrol cops

This is an odd one. I don't think I've ever seen or heard anything about which side of the car the plate is supposed to be on. I don't think I know any cops who would even bother raising the issue unless you severely failed the attitude test (yes I know it's not fair, but don't be a dick and you'll won't have to worry about the attitude test).

[Miami]

This is an odd one. I don't think I've ever seen or heard anything about which side of the car the plate is supposed to be on. I don't think I know any cops who would even bother raising the issue unless you severely failed the attitude test (yes I know it's not fair, but don't be a dick and you'll won't have to worry about the attitude test).

So what I'm hearing here is, even though you're not aware that there is even a law regarding license plate placement, you will basically make one up on the spot if you decide you have an issue with the individuals "attitude"?? In so doing you would be willing to issue a $100 fine, or give a yellow instead, causing loss of income to take the day off to visit the pits, and the fee to go over the pits to get the yellow removed when they say there is nothing actually wrong with it.

So the law is not a defined, objectively applied rule to you? It's something you can choose to apply/interpret/make up as you see fit according to your own personal agendas (ie you dont like someones "attitude")?

[McLOVIN]

You can hear whatever you like. Everyone else here has done so throughout the thread.

What I'm saying is, I am not aware of any regulation regarding the position of the rego plates on either side of the vehicle. If I were aware of such a regulation, I can't really think of any reason to fine or defect someone for not complying with it, as long as the plate is clearly visible from the front or rear of the vehicle.

In regards to the attitude test comment, it has nothing to do with making up rules and regulations. It's simply use of discretion. Regulations that don't exist can't exactly be enforced. However police have the power to use their discretion in a lot of instances as to wether or not they will fine or defect or arrest someone for certain types of offences, not just traffic-related.

Everyone knows that if you act like a dick with a cop when you're pulled up, you're more likely to get fined or defected than if you had been polite and courteous. Would you rather this wasn't the case and that everyone who committed even the most minor offences was prosecuted to the full extent of the law?

I do like how you're making a big deal out of something that's common knowledge though.

[Lonewolf]

i dont think anyone has an issue with police who act correspondingly when they pull over a knob.
If someone acts like a tool, then mouths off, im all for throwing the book.

The problem i see is when pulled over, you act normally, polite, dont give any cheek, and if the cop a) is on a power trip, or b)has had a bad day, you dont recieve any courtesy back.
Even worse is the ability for a police officer to automatically stereotype someone as a "hoon", without any evidence of such behaviour.

I ALWAYS provide slack to a police officer, they have a really difficult job, but there are situations out there that can be handled better.
Thankfully, i've only been pulled over once or twice, and never been defected, possibly due to my driving attitude, possibly that i dont own "typical" hoon cars. Who knows

[Brockas]

;233452']Some of the comments in this thread are laughable. People can't see why dark tint, low cars, etc are illegal? Get real, its pretty obvious.

Obviously I'm not "real" enough, can you please explain why a low car is illegal?

As for the tint, dark tint is a pain in the ass, and I can understand why it's illegal.

[iluv2moan]

This is an odd one. I don't think I've ever seen or heard anything about which side of the car the plate is supposed to be on. I don't think I know any cops who would even bother raising the issue unless you severely failed the attitude test (yes I know it's not fair, but don't be a dick and you'll won't have to worry about the attitude test).

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7095/p1020689mc4.jpg

thats my number plate location

i dodnt say a thing to cops as they waited for me to return from paying for fuel b4 they said something - didnt give them eavil startes or gestures or anything

[iluv2moan]

Obviously I'm not "real" enough, can you please explain why a low car is illegal?
.

what about if ya car is 1 inch off the ground and theres a small object in the middle of road that a 1inch heigh car wont clear and u dont wanna smash your fiberglass bonnet, so u hit the skids, swerve (since u saw it at last minute), hit the car in the lane next to ya or a cyclist in bike lane which u didnt spot....


there has to be some kinda height limit - imagine how bad it would be if it was left to their discretion

[Muppet_Guy]

MAybe the limit is there if you run someone over... better have a 100 mil gap between the car and bitumen than a 10 mil gap... who knows...

[omfg_gate]

I'd take a guess one reason like bumps in the road, and if you bottom out hitting one going around a corner you could end up Ayrton Senna spec

[Miami]

This is an odd one. I don't think I've ever seen or heard anything about which side of the car the plate is supposed to be on. I don't think I know any cops who would even bother raising the issue unless you severely failed the attitude test (yes I know it's not fair, but don't be a dick and you'll won't have to worry about the attitude test).


You can hear whatever you like. Everyone else here has done so throughout the thread.

What I'm saying is, I am not aware of any regulation regarding the position of the rego plates on either side of the vehicle. If I were aware of such a regulation, I can't really think of any reason to fine or defect someone for not complying with it, as long as the plate is clearly visible from the front or rear of the vehicle.

In regards to the attitude test comment, it has nothing to do with making up rules and regulations. It's simply use of discretion. Regulations that don't exist can't exactly be enforced. However police have the power to use their discretion in a lot of instances as to wether or not they will fine or defect or arrest someone for certain types of offences, not just traffic-related.

Everyone knows that if you act like a dick with a cop when you're pulled up, you're more likely to get fined or defected than if you had been polite and courteous. Would you rather this wasn't the case and that everyone who committed even the most minor offences was prosecuted to the full extent of the law?

I do like how you're making a big deal out of something that's common knowledge though.

So what happens when there is nothing defectable/fineable about my vehicle or driving, but i still "fail the attitude test" when you pull me over? As you say, "regulations that dont exist CANT EXACTLY be enforced" - you say this as though you believe there may be some sort of grey area??

And what is this "attitude test" about exactly? Whether you deem that I show you what you consider enough respect, or what? If so, when does that cross over from expecting common courtesy to ego-tripping??

I'm not having a go at you personally here, btw - I dont even know you. I'm just interested to find out the mindset cops may have, and the sort of attitude the force may have towards its job and the general public.

[MrSparkle]

I know im going to get hasseled for this remark but i want to put in my 2 cents anyway. Everytime ive been pulled over with only one exception ive been doing something wrong. Now some of those things were debatable as to just how "wrong" they were but 9 times out of 10 they usually have a reason. Most of the time they let me go on the debatable ones. Ive only been screwed once with the "it looked like you were doing about 100". Ive been pulled over a lot in the past and now i drive a pretty highly modified r31 that clunks(mech diff) and rattles(twin plate) and can be loud (gate). Ive been pulled over twice both for perfectly reasonable reasons once i got let off and once i didnt. Over all they are pretty fair and as much as it pissed me off to get caught out they are probably correct. Some police are angry when they first pull you over and its tempting to just go off but lets face it its not going to help. Ive found if you give them the time of day they give you a fair go. My current car is probably the least roadworthy/ most modified one ive had but it doesnt stick out like some of the cars you guys have its plain looking and ive found that to be its saving grace. I get the least amount of attention from police in it out of all my cars so far. I know this probably wont help much with your conversation but its just another persons experience to keep in mind

[McLOVIN]

Miami you've misinterpreted what I said.

At the end of the day, I can't speak for every cop out there. Personally, if I've pulled you over at all it's gonna be for either a random breath test or for something you've done. Now remember that I live and work in a small town so it's pretty easy to pick up who is who in a short amount of time.

If it's for an RBT and you carry on like a fuckstick, I'm probably gonna respond by going over your car or at the very least taking up as much of your precious time as I see fit. That may mean going over your car or simply doing a number of checks on you and everyone in your car. If everything comes up clear, you will go on your way. But I will remember you or your car. The next time I have to deal with you for something you've done, you're probably not gonna like the outcome.

If I've pulled you over for something you've done and you don't act like a tool, I may just use my discretion to either let you off with a warning (if it's a minor offence), or possibly downgrade the severity of the offence if it's a little more serious. If you decide to be a tool, you'll get done for whatever I can find. In this case, it's not a matter of not finding something fineable or defectable because you've already done something wrong to get my attention in the first place. So you're gonna drive (or possibly walk) away with something.

A good example of this was a fine I gave to a bloke who committed a number of traffic offences when he crossed over double lines, drove along the wrong side of the road, went through a No Entry sign, etc. By the time I got to his car, he had parked it up and was gone. I did some checks and gave him a call. He came in to the station and we had a little chat. He admitted to what he had done and apologised. So instead of giving him 3 or 4 different tickets that would have added up to well over $1000 and enough points to lose his licence, I gave him a single negligent driving ticket. He got a relatively small fine and a couple of points and that was it. I'm sure people will cry that I could have let him off, and I probably could have. However, people seem to forget that while police have the power to use their discretion, it must be justified in all instances. Considering this guy had a bit of traffic history, a warning would not be justified so he got what I thought was reasonable under the circumstances. If he had decided to bung it on and act like a douchebag, he would have copped the lot and lost his licence.

I will again stress that this is my personal point of view. While most of you are gonna have a little cry about it, everything I have outlined falls within legislation and policy. If people don't like the police use of discretion, think about how interesting life would be if police enforced every single piece of legislation and regulation to the letter. I have no doubts there'd be a lot more tears shed under those circumstances than the way things currently are.

Also remember that I am a big fan of modified cars. I have had a couple myself (with varying degrees of success) and enjoy the process of modifying and driving the things. What I am not a fan of is people carrying on like fucking idiots and then crying about getting caught out for it, claiming that it's simply because they own a modified car. It helps nobody when a minority starts crying victim when their own actions have put themselves into the position they're in. All it does it bring the spotlight onto said minority, and highlights the deviant behaviour within it.

[iluv2moan]

i got pulled up driving in to lancelin about a half a kilometer after the speed limit changed from 110 to 60.. drove straight past cop heading opposite direct to me and didnt think anything off it, saw him put his lights on and do a u turn. pulled over immediately and he said to me

"do u have any idea what speed u were doing"

im like not really - i wasnt paying a great deal of attention to my speed however i slowed down considerably to a safe speed.

his reply "this is a 60 k zone and u were doing well over 70"

my reply "well over??"

his reply to that "doesnt matter u were going over 70"

he asked me if i wanted to see the radar speed so i said yes - walked to his car and the radar showed 72 kms

drove away with a 150 dollar, 2 point fine

i wish you had pulled me over wlfpac

[[SPESHAL]]

Obviously I'm not "real" enough, can you please explain why a low car is illegal?

As for the tint, dark tint is a pain in the ass, and I can understand why it's illegal.

Imagine running over someone in a car thats very low. No doubt they are gonna get fucked up anyways if they go under the car, but if you have some clearance you might be able to go over them, not drag them under your car and get them stuck on the exhaust, drivetrain, etc.

MOST, not all, low cars have very stiff suspension, which can cause issues such as the ABS going off unnecessarily over slight bumps which can make stopping on dry tarmac like stopping on gravel, or wheels will just lock up on cars that don't have ABS. Also can lead to a very unsettled car over slight bumps. Just a couple of issues off the top of my head.

[Brockas]

;233947']Imagine running over someone in a car thats very low. No doubt they are gonna get fucked up anyways if they go under the car, but if you have some clearance you might be able to go over them, not drag them under your car and get them stuck on the exhaust, drivetrain, etc.
LOL!!!

Hitting a pedestrian in a low car = pedestrian up on windscreen.
Hitting a pedestrian in a high car = pedestrian under car.

I know which one I'd rather if I were the pedestrian.

My car is still pretty much a legal height, and there is 0% chance of anyone going under the car if they were hit by it.


;233947']MOST, not all, low cars have very stiff suspension

Which is why there are laws which ensure there is positive suspension travel, but that has nothing to do with height.

What you're saying then is they should be giving yellows for "too stiff" instead of "too low".

[Joe]

They can give yellows for suspension being too stiff...people get picked up on that all the time.

[[SPESHAL]]

LOL!!!

Hitting a pedestrian in a low car = pedestrian up on windscreen.
Hitting a pedestrian in a high car = pedestrian under car.

I know which one I'd rather if I were the pedestrian.

My car is still pretty much a legal height, and there is 0% chance of anyone going under the car if they were hit by it.





In most situations yeah, the guys gonna go over your car. Not all. What about, for example, if say a motorbike rider looses his bike from underneath him and slides along the ground? In making these laws they have to think of all situations. While I don't like the law, I'm certainly not gonna sit there and say I can't see why it exists. And now if I recall correctly, someone actually died on the weekend when they were run over by a car....



Which is why there are laws which ensure there is positive suspension travel, but that has nothing to do with height.

What you're saying then is they should be giving yellows for "too stiff" instead of "too low".

Yep, what I'm saying though is that being too low often results in being too stiff. We're nitpicking here anyways.

[McLOVIN]

Laws and regulations in relation to vehicle standards and roads/infrastructure are designed with the majority in mind. The majority of people drive standard vehicles that are designed and built to these specifications.

The simple fact is that modified car owners are a deviant (I don't mean that in a bad way) minority within society. Vehicle regulations are not going to be changed for us simply because we don't like them.

Brockas do you believe there should be no minimum height or that it should be lower than 100mm? What would you suggest be done about speed bump heights and kerbway/driveway angles? Should they all be torn up and rebuilt to accomodate your new height requirement?

Perhaps you should just accept that these regulations exist for a reason, and that reason is not just to piss you off. If you don't want to comply with these regulations, expect to get fined or defected for it sooner or later. There really is no point whining about it if you don't have a viable solution.

[ben351]

regulations excist for a reason ... to raise revenue

money hungry government fucks.

[Brockas]

Brockas do you believe there should be no minimum height or that it should be lower than 100mm? What would you suggest be done about speed bump heights and kerbway/driveway angles? Should they all be torn up and rebuilt to accomodate your new height requirement?
There is no minimum height in Japan, works fine for them.

Speed bump heights aren't an issue, if people can't clear them then thats their problem (not the community's), they will have to avoid them (just like people with legal-height kits currently have to with the height of some bumps in Perth).
Speed bumps/driveways do not conform to current height requirements anyways, so your question is irrelevant.



Perhaps you should just accept that these regulations exist for a reason, and that reason is not just to piss you off. If you don't want to comply with these regulations, expect to get fined or defected for it sooner or later. There really is no point whining about it if you don't have a viable solution.

Typical of the attitude towards car enthusiasts. "It doesn't make sense, tough luck, accept it, deal with it, because you're powerless to change it".

I do have a viable solution, see above.
I also don't really care about getting a yellow sticker, it's part of having a modified car these days.
All I'm saying is, it really shouldn't be.

[McLOVIN]

It's funny that as soon as you find out that I'm a cop, instantly I'm the enemy of car enthusiasts. The 2 are not mutually exclusive.

Your problem appears to be that you think you're special. I'm sorry to say you're not. If you can't come up with a solution that is viable on a large scale and not just in your deluded little world, then just shut up. If you have a solution that will work, start lobbying your councils, state and federal members, etc or run for government yourself and make the changes. If you're not willing to do something about it, you're just another whiney little bitch who thinks the world is against him. Boo fucken hoo.

[DADDYS]

I think this is probably a good time to close this thread off as we are no longer on original topic.

Shaun bro you're is being fixed up in the next couple of weeks and will roadworthy for a short time.

Cheers

[Macca]

closed, kids take it to the ring