Please read this.

[Joe]

Hi everyone,

As an admin, I'm always thinking of new ways to make this forum a better place to visit, especially considering many of us spend so much time on here.

I've now decided, along with the rest of the admin team, that this place probably doesn't need a huge shake-up, but a few little tweaks in the way things are done probably wouldn't go astray.

This thread is open for comments from ALL members...both veterans and new members, to find out what you like and/or dislike about the forums, and what could be done to improve them.

I'm mainly looking for opinions on the following areas.

1. Structural i.e. the way the forum physically operates, the sections we have, functions of the forum, etc.

2. Forum personality i.e. the way people on the forum act, and things that are said and done.

3. Moderator/Admin effectiveness i.e. the way the mods and admins do their job.

Basically, I want you all to unleash anything and everything in this thread, as harsh or as kind as it might be. Basically, anything you may be feeling about Antilag and any improvements or changes you'd like to see, needs to be posted here.

Nothing is sacred, but I WILL be keeping a very close tabs on this thread.

There will be no personal attacks on any person, and if you do have a personal issue with a particular person, feel free to PM me so we can discuss in PRIVATE.

Also, if you do want to make a comment but you would like to make it anonymously or in private, please feel free to send me a PM. You will be kept 100% anonymous to the rest of the admin team and to the rest of the forum if you wish, and I will air your comments on your behalf in this thread.

Once this thread has run its course, the admins will discuss any changes that need to be made, and the various changes will be made across the three areas. I'm hoping to have this all over and done with by the 31st August, then we will make the changes.

Cheers :)

[ben351]

i rekon the layout it fairly good and the sections you have are more than enough. Seems to me the off topic section creates more of the "problems" for the mods.

if its getting that bad then just get rid of off topic section.

if that doesnt work then start banning people, i know i talk some shit on here ... if the ban stick is waved my way man i wont hold a grudge my life will go on haha :)

too many emotions of the forums lately ... people have to realise its just the internet.

[SimonR32]

we should develop a "known" section for people that are genuine members for cruises etc etc

[Jazza]

I like that idea...
Only specific members can view one area for cruises etc!

[xr06t]

i used to miss the pull down menu at the bottom of the threads, but now i just visit often enough to use the view new posts.

i rekon the layout is great. few ppl did get a little emo this week but i laughed pretty hard at most threads..

no banning of ben351!! hes a funny fucker. as long as everyone is joking its all good i rekon. like he said its just the internet, no need to take it too serious.

all in all this is the best forum i visit i rekon. just the right amount of members and seriousness and jokes.

[ScReAm-R]

no banning of ben351!! hes a funny fucker.

x2

[RICEY]

I dont think the forums themselves are causing any problems, more the people using them.

Lets not pretend this isnt about a certain person copping grief and getting emo. If this person cant handle it then dont read the forums. its that simple. Why change the way the forums operate because one person is having yet another emo moment?

I say leave it as it is, if it aint broke, dont fix it.

[TJ]

Mark a few facts

-I had no issue with my nick change or most of what was said in the last few days. I started it, so I had no issue copping it.

-I did not ask for the forum cleanup to occur, Joe did it as he thought it was the right thing to do. In hindsight, I agree

-I have not asked for this to happen, but I like the idea. In fact this isnt going to do me any good, so I should be the last person to support it, but I fully do. You do not have access to admin, therefore your assumptions are wrong.

In reference to your last line, the place isnt broken so to speak , but it sure as needs a retune.

My long winded tirade will come later.

[RICEY]

Fair enough, wasnt the impression I got but ill take your word for it.

Generally the forum functions well, the mods are keeping on top of things and removing innapropriate posts, if people go beyond the line they get banned.

I really dont see the problem?

[TJ]

Unfortunately admin stays in house, or I'd happily prove the points above.

This thread isnt just about the mods, more like the culture of the place.

To me, and others, there is a feeling of "us and them" with the older guys and the new guys. We may be pushing away people who otherwise would contribute extremely well to the place.

The "us" group certainly get away with alot more, but thats to be blamed only on the mods. Im one of the most guilty of this too, and this is why this thread is here, so people can freely express their thoughts. I for one will take nothing personally that is said here, as long as it is kept to a forum and not personal level.

[RICEY]

I agree newcomers arent treated that well, thats somewhere an improvement could be made. As for the older guys getting away with more thats only natural and to be expected. I guess you kind of earn a wider margin of error the longer youre here. I dont see a problem with it really as long as people dont go too far. The veterans deserve something the newbies dont have :D

[xr06t]

i think thats the same on just about every forum but.

being a 'them' i dont rekon that we are treated unfairly. sure, we dont understand some of the info behind personal joke threads, and i wouldn't expect to be able to get away with some of the things other people say, purely because i dont know anyone other than from my puter. and thats fair enough in my books.

couldn't tell you if people are being pushed away, and im not sure that anyone could ever say for sure.

[addicted.to.speed]

To me, and others, there is a feeling of "us and them" with the older guys and the new guys. We may be pushing away people who otherwise would contribute extremely well to the place.

Do you really think it is "old" and "new"?? From my perspective I am new, but I get along well with the "old"... I see it more like "sensible" and "non-sensible". People who do stupid shit (like burnouts at meetpoint at public cruises) and people who use a bit more common sense...

[RICEY]

I dont think how people act on cruises is the issue here but more how people act on the forums.

[Joe]

Just to confirm, TJ or none of the other admin team actually had anything to do with this thread, it was 100% my idea and everyone has supported it, so I've taken the idea and run with it.

It was also my idea to clean the forum up the other night, no one elses....again, it was supported.

Blame me, not anyone else :)

[Joe]

I've received this comment via PM:

Over the last few months i've gotten to know quite a few of the guys around here, and this is how i see it...




too many emotions of the forums lately ... people have to realise its just the internet.

That being said, i agree to a point...

Everyone has to admit to themselves there is a point where enough is enough.
The same thing being exhausted over and over again. Sure it's harmless the first few... hundred times, and the person involved may not take offence to it. But it gets to a point where a person's life is their life, what they do, who they see, what they say, is their life, unless it's to do directly with you, i believe you should stay out of it, leave their life to them and don't. But... saying that... that's my past and my beliefs...

I like... how people all over the place say 'It's just the internet.'
Yes, it's the internet, but it's also a form of communication, just like sms', phone calls and indian smoke messages. The people behind the computers are still controlling the message to be sent and received, it's not like it's coming from a 3rd party. It's coming from YOU. "But it's typing over a keyboard!" - "But i'm pushing buttons on my phone to interact via sms with friends too!"

Same deal.

[Nismo33]

How will you determine who is genuine and who is not? That could be very unfair on the new members!

[Brockas]

How will you determine who is genuine and who is not? That could be very unfair on the new members!

New members aren't going to have the same privileges as established ones.

Thats just a given.


New members wouldn't be excluded from anything except personal jokes they wouldn't understand anyways.

[Nismo33]

Fair enough!
I didn't know how to take that one?
What is genuine?

[pgc]

I like to get involved, read everyone's opinion, and use the GAD section to do research. My problem is I have a wife and child, and it's extremely unlikely I'll be coming along to any cruises - however much I'd like to, and bring along some of the press cars I get. So I guess I'll never get to being one of the "older" guys.

I'm pretty happy with how things are run around here, most people seem to have common sense. Personal abuse is unwelcome, but I think admin are (mostly) on top of it. I'd like to see a topic raised, and people stick to it, rather than get carried away with banter, or some sideline that takes us completely away from the topic at hand.

I'm glad Joe did the cleanup. It was needed.

My 2c.

Karl.

[RMX]

Being new here, I know my opinions count for fuck all.. But having said that, No one has flamed me for being a new opinionated c$%t (Admittedly, I am).

One of the first topics I read here was the "Is TJ A Virgin" poll, It was pure gold.
Not many forums can admit to being able to pull that kind of shit off, While I realize the thread is now gone.. It lasted for a few days, alot longer than most other forums would let it live and it was all in good humor..

Would a thread like that last on SAU or Silwa? I Think not. Thats why I like it.

[ben351]

Everyone has to admit to themselves there is a point where enough is enough.
The same thing being exhausted over and over again. Sure it's harmless the first few... hundred times, and the person involved may not take offence to it. But it gets to a point where a person's life is their life, what they do, who they see, what they say, is their life, unless it's to do directly with you, i believe you should stay out of it, leave their life to them and don't. But... saying that... that's my past and my beliefs...



in reply to that ... im guessing that its in reference to me ' constantly ' calling someone else a virgin.

my reply ... i have been doing that ever since we were teenagers ... they used to take it as a joke back then ... now its offensive fair enough ill stop calling them that.

i just dont see how someone like Marbles can cop and absolute raping and still smile ... Brockas cops it and it doesnt bother him ... just keep that in mind.

when you say a persons life is there life and what they do who they see and what they say is there life ... then that person should keep it there life .. you cant broadcast shit like that and then expect not to cop a flaming for it ... do what you want to do see who you want to see .. but at the end of the day NO ONE BUT YOU REALLY CARES.

i wish i could contribute more towards the car side of this forums but being without a car of my own (GT-P cruising aside) for 3 years i really cant. I really would love to get out there and do some driving events but until car is road worthy im a non contributor i guess.

[MMM]

Being new here, I know my opinions count for fuck all.. But having said that, No one has flamed me for being a new opinionated c$%t (Admittedly, I am).

One of the first topics I read here was the "Is TJ A Virgin" poll, It was pure gold.
Not many forums can admit to being able to pull that kind of shit off, While I realize the thread is now gone.. It lasted for a few days, alot longer than most other forums would let it live and it was all in good humor..

Would a thread like that last on SAU or Silwa? I Think not. Thats why I like it.

Spot on! other forums the mod teams are full on nazi's you say one thing that they dont agree with and bang your banned.. here everyone has conflicting opinions and its great. also the sense of humor that people share in this forum is like no other! i come here everyday just for a laugh on whose getting the piss taken from them its great

i say keep it up and dont let the truth get in the way of a good yarn :)

[1JZNOSHIT]

"known" section is a great idea.

and I will continue to bag marbles at any opportunity.

thanks :)

[Roobiks]

yeah has to be one of the more diverse car forums thats for sure.

i've been a member on antilag for a year and a bit i think, posting here and there.

i've been a member of just about every car forum in wa because i love to learn new things about all types of cars, i'm a very open minded person, but in all honesty (and not just kissing ass here) antilag has to be the best.

aside from the odd internet-fistycuffs, this has been an all-learn experience.

i just want to personally ask people to not post up things they dont know about, people like me end up learning the wrong things that way.

at the end of the day, we're all here because we love cars. wether they be ricers, pushrods, anything. you love your favourite type of car for a reason, just understand that the person who you're arguing with because they like another type of car, likes it for their own reason.


no one HAS to think like you.

my 2c.

Callum

[kneedtotinkle]

This site is in its element, there is no other like it and hence why it is a force in recognition.

SAU etc have nothing on this place, majority of the old school people know eachother and have good times.

Humour is the niche in this site, everything is taken with a pinch of salt and there is always something to put a smile on the dial.

[Passage GT]

we should develop a "known" section for people that are genuine members for cruises etc etc

there already is one...

i agree with most peoples views in that this place is good for a laugh and there is a lot of piss taking going on
and yes a few of those people call it upon themselves in a big way, nothing wrong with taking someone down a peg or two when needed
however i do have a problem when some mods (no names mentioned obviously) behave like dickheads and if they weren't a mod, would surely have action taken against them
also i think if a mod is going to delete posts, maybe a pm explaining why it was deleted?
other than that i think this place is great and i'll continue to come here as i have done since the start

[BOSS 290]

Humour is the niche in this site, everything is taken with a pinch of salt and there is always something to put a smile on the dial.

Exactly.

Had some cock make a comment about the TTG after I chopped the X5 he was driving on a recent cruise.

"People don't come up to you and ask you if that's an X5 you're driving, do they?!"

I thought to myself, the TTG chopped the Bloody Money Waster, and the BMW X5 aint no fucken ML65 now is it, clown! :lol:

Couldn't even manage to keep up with the poor mans Ford hahaha

[Lonewolf]

as mentioned, some of the BS that fills the forums is good for a laugh, and what makes antilag.
That plus the mix of a) cars, and b) people.

whilst i know some members well, im not one of the important people here (people not in that group will know the members i talk of), i contribute where i can, and get rewarded with a good laugh, and some useful info.

wouldnt really change much, but if antilag wants more members, a little bit less of the "us and them" mentality might be the go.
That said, those that arent up forward enough to push their personality/opinion forward enough probably wouldnt last more than a week on here anyways.

my $0.02

[Macca]

with all these 0.02 cents worth antilag should be making a profit :p

[munchmunch]

i think this forum is sweet i love the shit ben351 and ricey come up with when i do attend cruises be it a antilag one or similar i dont rock up hoping to make mates or be one of the cool guys i go there knowing what car is what and hoping some of yous are up for a squirt win or lose i enjoy it. from what i see ppl come on here and automatically try and impress and suck up hoping to be exepted i personally would only like to attend the harder cruises that are held by the core antilag group were i get to really wind out the old girl
so i say it runs ok in my eyes

[onejayzee]

Main things I check up on are the WA events to see if theres cruises to have a bit of fun, and Parts for sale section. Other than that, I don't venture out too deep into the threads unless something catches my eyes.

Having a known section would be great, but I'm not so known and I've been around for a while. Some people are members for the cruises, and some for a chat. I say rid the ones who talk too much and are never out there on cruises.

As for the off topic banter, as long as it's in the Off-Topic section, then it's ok. People should enter there at their own risk hahaha

[ossie_21]

Don't really have a problem with the way it is. Only thing I'd like to see brought back is the menu that was there at the bottom of the page where you could go from whatever thread you were in, to another forum straight from there instead of going back to the main forum page or opening a lot of windows....

[McLOVIN]

Most of you don't have a fucking clue who I am, and that's fine. I'm not from WA so that's to be expected for the majority.

A couple of issues I see.....

The "us and them" attitude has been prevalent for as long as I've been here. It started out with the Perth guys treating anyone from outside WA like they weren't important. Hence, a lot of people from other states haven't bothered to join, or didn't stick around if they did join.

Unfortunately the majority of members are from WA so I guess it's natural for them to think it's a WA forum. Unfortunately for them, it's not. I guess the old school v new school attitude doesn't help here, as people from outside WA won't understand most of the familiar banter that goes on here between people who are also mates offline. Not much can really be done about this in the end, unless something is done to attract more people from other states to the forum.

"It's just the internet" is bullshit. As has been said, many of you know each other offline. If you wouldn't say something to someone's face, pull your fucking head in and don't say it here. You may think it's harmless and just "pushing buttons on a keyboard" but if you have to see that person in real life at some point, it's not simply internet cock-swinging. That person will likely take what you say here the same way they would if it was said to their face offline. If it's likely to get you a smack in the mouth offline, don't be surprised if someone gets emo online.

As far as punting people who don't attend cruises, wake up. Not everyone is here for the same reasons you are. Some people are here to read and interact on the forum. Some are here to catch up with mates. Some are here to educate themselves (I feel sorry for these people). The fact is, not everyone is able to get out on cruises and meet everyone else, even if that's what they'd like to do. Those people should not be punished for that.

The "known" section idea is bullshit. It may help reduce the number of troublemakers tagging along on cruises, but it also excludes those people who genuinely want to be a part of the group without acting like a douchebag. It also ends up being nothing but an old boys club where general shit is raised instead of the general sections, and wankers just want to cock on about the illegal shit they get up to or want to get up to. If you think you're safe from prying eyes in these sections simply because not everyone can see them, you're wrong.

The issue of TJ and his emo. It seems that some people target TJ a fair bit. It also seems that others stick up for him at every opportunity. End of the day, TJ is an adult and can stick up for himself. Personally I'm sick of seeing all the TJ-centric bullshit everywhere on this forum. Sure all the jobes are funny, and he brings a lot of it on himself, but there's no need for it to be so prevalent all the time. There are only so many Good Charlotte/Simple Plan/My Chemical Romance songs the boy can cut himself to before he snaps.

On the flipside of this point, TJ pull your fucking head in. If you didn't carry on the way you do, people wouldn't target you. You seem to have created this image of yourself where you are the leader of the galactic performance car scene. You have then somehow managed to convince yourself that this image is reality. You then have a cry when people tear you down. You then alway seem to have a semi-believable sob story when you want help from people after you get yourself into stupid shit. Stop giving people ammo and they may stop firing at you.

Personally I don't think this forum is ever going to get back to the point where it originally seemed to want to head. I for one rarely bother participating because it is so WA specific now, and I simply don't have the time to sit here and go through it all to find something I might be interested in. Where the place is headed, I don't really know. But it doesn't look terribly good from where I sit.

My $17.23

[ben351]

On the flipside of this point, TJ pull your fucking head in. If you didn't carry on the way you do, people wouldn't target you. You seem to have created this image of yourself where you are the leader of the galactic performance car scene. You have then somehow managed to convince yourself that this image is reality. You then have a cry when people tear you down. You then alway seem to have a semi-believable sob story when you want help from people after you get yourself into stupid shit. Stop giving people ammo and they may stop firing at you.


:werd:

[miss_petepie]

that was actually well put... worth the $17.23

[Fryman]

Most of you don't have a fucking clue who I am, and that's fine. I'm not from WA so that's to be expected for the majority.

A couple of issues I see.....

The "us and them" attitude has been prevalent for as long as I've been here. It started out with the Perth guys treating anyone from outside WA like they weren't important. Hence, a lot of people from other states haven't bothered to join, or didn't stick around if they did join.

Unfortunately the majority of members are from WA so I guess it's natural for them to think it's a WA forum. Unfortunately for them, it's not. I guess the old school v new school attitude doesn't help here, as people from outside WA won't understand most of the familiar banter that goes on here between people who are also mates offline. Not much can really be done about this in the end, unless something is done to attract more people from other states to the forum.

"It's just the internet" is bullshit. As has been said, many of you know each other offline. If you wouldn't say something to someone's face, pull your fucking head in and don't say it here. You may think it's harmless and just "pushing buttons on a keyboard" but if you have to see that person in real life at some point, it's not simply internet cock-swinging. That person will likely take what you say here the same way they would if it was said to their face offline. If it's likely to get you a smack in the mouth offline, don't be surprised if someone gets emo online.

As far as punting people who don't attend cruises, wake up. Not everyone is here for the same reasons you are. Some people are here to read and interact on the forum. Some are here to catch up with mates. Some are here to educate themselves (I feel sorry for these people). The fact is, not everyone is able to get out on cruises and meet everyone else, even if that's what they'd like to do. Those people should not be punished for that.

The "known" section idea is bullshit. It may help reduce the number of troublemakers tagging along on cruises, but it also excludes those people who genuinely want to be a part of the group without acting like a douchebag. It also ends up being nothing but an old boys club where general shit is raised instead of the general sections, and wankers just want to cock on about the illegal shit they get up to or want to get up to. If you think you're safe from prying eyes in these sections simply because not everyone can see them, you're wrong.

The issue of TJ and his emo. It seems that some people target TJ a fair bit. It also seems that others stick up for him at every opportunity. End of the day, TJ is an adult and can stick up for himself. Personally I'm sick of seeing all the TJ-centric bullshit everywhere on this forum. Sure all the jobes are funny, and he brings a lot of it on himself, but there's no need for it to be so prevalent all the time. There are only so many Good Charlotte/Simple Plan/My Chemical Romance songs the boy can cut himself to before he snaps.

On the flipside of this point, TJ pull your fucking head in. If you didn't carry on the way you do, people wouldn't target you. You seem to have created this image of yourself where you are the leader of the galactic performance car scene. You have then somehow managed to convince yourself that this image is reality. You then have a cry when people tear you down. You then alway seem to have a semi-believable sob story when you want help from people after you get yourself into stupid shit. Stop giving people ammo and they may stop firing at you.

Personally I don't think this forum is ever going to get back to the point where it originally seemed to want to head. I for one rarely bother participating because it is so WA specific now, and I simply don't have the time to sit here and go through it all to find something I might be interested in. Where the place is headed, I don't really know. But it doesn't look terribly good from where I sit.

My $17.23


i hate to say it but that is SPOT ON. a very well written and unbiased rant. people should read that and take note key members included. can not believe somebody here actually sat down and nailed each and every point to a t.

i personally thing we should also have a section for media.. where all articles performance car hoon articles media coverage kitchen germ current affair spec propaganda should be posted. a seperate section will also give focus and just perhaps give it the right attention it deserves.

[Joe]

Yep, this is the sort of feedback I'm looking for. Keep it coming, because I am dead serious about reforming this place.

[RICEY]

Fine line between reform and fucking it up completely.

Forums themselves are fine and shouldnt be touched, the attitude of the users needs some fine tuning.

[Brockas]

Well put wlfpac.

The "boys club" mentality is inevitable when a club exists for as long as Antilag has.
People on the forum become friends off the forum, and jokes/banter spills back onto the forum.

There are only so many times you can ask "what mods should i do to my skyline" before everything has been covered and the forum becomes boring, predictable, and stagnent.

I don't really see a problem with this, so long as the events section is still active, and the club remains about the cars, not the people.
This is the problem with the "look at me" attitude.

It's unfortunate that it hasn't really "taken off" in other states, but thats the nature of the beast. The reason why it's so popular here in WA is because there are dozens of us out every week promoting it, and entering events. There is also a demographic for Antilag here in Perth. There is no other club which caters to all models of Performance vehicles.
If there are already clubs which cater to this in the Eastern States then it's going to be harder to push people to Antilag.

[Cake]

fucken spot on wlfpac, i like the no bullshit approach. this should hit hard, being enlightened from an 'outsiders' perspective.
take note! many valid points made and perhaps the post count of the offtopic section compared to the automotive sections could be some indication of this place's direction.

p.s. if wlfpac's post magically disappears, i'd say it's officially game over.

[McLOVIN]

Brockas I am aware of what you're saying and I agree with most of it. I accept that this is the way things are here and I interact where I see fit.

The club issue is an interesting point that ties in with the difference between those who rock up to all the cruises and those who just use the forums. It seems that this may be where the divide crops up, as some people see Antilag as a club where others see it simply as an internet forum. Neither is really right or wrong, but people need to learn to accept that not everyone sees this place the same way.

Excluding those who don't participate in the offline activities is always going to be unfair. Sure a private cruise section may help to limit the number of uninvited toolbags that show up to cause trouble, but you still have to deal with the toolbags who WERE invited, whilst eliminating the possibility for new people to join in.

Another thing I've noticed for a while is that a lot of the content in some of the sections have simply been recycled from other forums. I am well aware that many people here are members of other forums, but it just seems odd that so much of the same shit crops up here not long after having seen it elsewhere. To me it just cheapens this place a bit when it starts to look like a carbon copy of other forums. I know the same things will always pop up on countless forums around the same time, but a bit of originality would be nice.

The comments about the attitudes of users of Antilag is kinda funny. I've noticed a lot of people who have been here long term have grown up a lot and it shows in the changes in their attitudes between the early days and now. Unfortunately there are still a number of people who haven't matured at all. These are the kinds of people that bring the whole place down. Some people just never realise when it's time to grow up and stop acting like children.

Hopefully some of these issues can be sorted out and things can get back on track. Unfortunately it may just be too late for some of them to be rectified.

[INSINR8R]

Very fucking well said wlfpac. I haven't really been on the forums very long, all of about 8 months I would say, but in that time I've seen this place almost a few times cave in on itself.

I've met a few of you like TJ, Brockas and OneJ etc and you guys were really friendly towards me. But I never really joined to make new friends, I actually joined so I could view a picture lol. But not only that, I joined so I could attend cruises when I could, bit difficult at the moment being without a performance car, but I'm keen to get back into it soon.

I agree with Ricey with the fact that some users need an attitude adjustment. I noticed that when someone joins up, they might make a bad first impression and alot of you jump on their backs.

There is nothing wrong with the forums themselves, everything is in the right place and I love being apart of it, but as said before, everyone needs to check themselves. Maybe antilag will finally start going in a forward direction from then on.

Good luck Joe, I would hate to see Antilag take a turn for the worst and fade away.

I have no money...

[TJ]

Most of you don't have a fucking clue who I am, and that's fine. I'm not from WA so that's to be expected for the majority.

A couple of issues I see.....

The "us and them" attitude has been prevalent for as long as I've been here. It started out with the Perth guys treating anyone from outside WA like they weren't important. Hence, a lot of people from other states haven't bothered to join, or didn't stick around if they did join.

Unfortunately the majority of members are from WA so I guess it's natural for them to think it's a WA forum. Unfortunately for them, it's not. I guess the old school v new school attitude doesn't help here, as people from outside WA won't understand most of the familiar banter that goes on here between people who are also mates offline. Not much can really be done about this in the end, unless something is done to attract more people from other states to the forum.

"It's just the internet" is bullshit. As has been said, many of you know each other offline. If you wouldn't say something to someone's face, pull your fucking head in and don't say it here. You may think it's harmless and just "pushing buttons on a keyboard" but if you have to see that person in real life at some point, it's not simply internet cock-swinging. That person will likely take what you say here the same way they would if it was said to their face offline. If it's likely to get you a smack in the mouth offline, don't be surprised if someone gets emo online.

As far as punting people who don't attend cruises, wake up. Not everyone is here for the same reasons you are. Some people are here to read and interact on the forum. Some are here to catch up with mates. Some are here to educate themselves (I feel sorry for these people). The fact is, not everyone is able to get out on cruises and meet everyone else, even if that's what they'd like to do. Those people should not be punished for that.

The "known" section idea is bullshit. It may help reduce the number of troublemakers tagging along on cruises, but it also excludes those people who genuinely want to be a part of the group without acting like a douchebag. It also ends up being nothing but an old boys club where general shit is raised instead of the general sections, and wankers just want to cock on about the illegal shit they get up to or want to get up to. If you think you're safe from prying eyes in these sections simply because not everyone can see them, you're wrong.

The issue of TJ and his emo. It seems that some people target TJ a fair bit. It also seems that others stick up for him at every opportunity. End of the day, TJ is an adult and can stick up for himself. Personally I'm sick of seeing all the TJ-centric bullshit everywhere on this forum. Sure all the jobes are funny, and he brings a lot of it on himself, but there's no need for it to be so prevalent all the time. There are only so many Good Charlotte/Simple Plan/My Chemical Romance songs the boy can cut himself to before he snaps.

On the flipside of this point, TJ pull your fucking head in. If you didn't carry on the way you do, people wouldn't target you. You seem to have created this image of yourself where you are the leader of the galactic performance car scene. You have then somehow managed to convince yourself that this image is reality. You then have a cry when people tear you down. You then alway seem to have a semi-believable sob story when you want help from people after you get yourself into stupid shit. Stop giving people ammo and they may stop firing at you.

Personally I don't think this forum is ever going to get back to the point where it originally seemed to want to head. I for one rarely bother participating because it is so WA specific now, and I simply don't have the time to sit here and go through it all to find something I might be interested in. Where the place is headed, I don't really know. But it doesn't look terribly good from where I sit.

My $17.23

I have not looked at this thread since I made by first reply. Thankyou for taking the time to type such an extensive reply Rob, appreciated.

Alot of food for though for alot of us, including myself.

[WRCjosh]

i still love wlfpac

[doriae86]

i feel all the mini sub groups in antilag help fuel the division and create the us v them mentality

example

http://www.antilag.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16262

the author of the thread has been around about 6 months, and now decides he is the one who must dictate who can and cant cruise with his elite little gang

i say if you dont like the bread and butter members fuc off and make your own forum.

[Muppet_Guy]

As far as punting people who don't attend cruises, wake up. Not everyone is here for the same reasons you are. Some people are here to read and interact on the forum. Some are here to catch up with mates. Some are here to educate themselves (I feel sorry for these people). The fact is, not everyone is able to get out on cruises and meet everyone else, even if that's what they'd like to do. Those people should not be punished for that.




The club issue is an interesting point that ties in with the difference between those who rock up to all the cruises and those who just use the forums. It seems that this may be where the divide crops up, as some people see Antilag as a club where others see it simply as an internet forum. Neither is really right or wrong, but people need to learn to accept that not everyone sees this place the same way.

Well said. People are here for different reasons. Nowadays I'm here mainly to read up on various stuff as I do find it interesting, and I honestly do not have much time for cruises and such, due to my personal circumstances. I've lost the count how many times someone had a stab at me over that. I do not have a perfomace car, and that makes it hard participate in cruises. Having said that, when I had the soarer, I did attend two or three cruises when I first joined up, although that has been a while ago now... Some people here value physical attendance more than online attendance, fair enough you have the right to your opinion. But if you do not know somobody's personal circusmtances as to why they don't attend, please keep it to yourself.

Other than that, I think forums themselves are structured fine. general section for all car stuff, off-topic for off-topic, technical for technical, and so on. It's very logical and I wouldn't be changing it much. Like someone had said before, it's more about the attitude of the members and the emo-ness that happens around here, that needs changing. Not proud to say it, but I have contributed to that on certain occasions, although half the time my jokes were misunderstood... unfortunately it is not easy to convey something like that over an internet forum and things go out of hand. Well, I won't do that anymore. :slap:

[SimonR32]

you have to remember that antilag.com in WA is a lot more than just the forums...

lots of people who i would consider long time members and contributors dont come on the forum much/at all any more. but yet you see them all the time at events/cruises etc etc... then you get randoms on here that i have never met but seem to make around 100 posts about crap a day and dont seem to know anyone or sometimes anything

[Muppet_Guy]

I personally do know a few people on here... and I don't pretend like I know everything, I just don't have any input if I have no idea about something. But I have no time (and no car suitable) for cruises anymore so meh...

[Ratus]

Despite being on here since 2004 im yet to come cruising with AL purely coz my current ride is shit, lol, but I’d say the forums are probably the best ive seen them. Almost every car forum has a few funny fuckers, same goes for a few pullers too, just gotta deal with it.

Thumbs up to admin anyhow :werd: keep the good shit comin'

[McLOVIN]

you have to remember that antilag.com in WA is a lot more than just the forums...

lots of people who i would consider long time members and contributors dont come on the forum much/at all any more. but yet you see them all the time at events/cruises etc etc... then you get randoms on here that i have never met but seem to make around 100 posts about crap a day and dont seem to know anyone or sometimes anything

You have to remember that not everyone shares your view on this.

Lots of people may see it as a club and treat it as such, but others see it simply as an internet forum. Each group needs to just accept that the other has a different view of what antilag is. Instead of whinging about people who don't come to cruises, just get on with life and let those people interact the way they want. Anyone who brings the place down for whatever reason should be dealt with individually rather than attacking everyone else who uses the forum for whatever reasons.

[WRCjosh]

this place has turned into a mini carbon copy of performanceforums, which is a bit dissapointing because there is a small minority of douche-bags on that forum who think they are gods gift to the world. All these little in-crowd jokes, writing in italics and other nonsense, as well as sucking the hole of Simon turns some of the threads into 10 pages of pure egotistical and nonsensical dribble. Ill be devestated, after having been around for going on 4 and a half years if it turned into that.

[McLOVIN]

Thank christ someone else can see that.

[RICEY]

How can different forums based on the same interests not be alike? I didnt even know what performance forums were till recently till i signed up to have a look. Havent been back since. Of course they are going to have the same shit in them we are in the same country ffs. The same news topics will come up, the same events will be discussed, this does not mean pf content is being recycled here or vice versa. Who really gives a shit if they have the same content anyway? Does it really matter?

[TJ]

Josh, who they suck up to though?

It isnt morgs to be honest, and he is the simon of antilag.

I actually like the italics, stops mistakes when people think someone is being rude, not sarcastic.

[RICEY]

fuck you tom

[Muppet_Guy]

Crap, why didn't anyine inform me about the italics... I think I'll be posting in italics from now on to be safe :D

[RICEY]

lol Josh inadvertently introduces italics to AL

[TJ]

Lets keep to topic please.

[SimonR32]

You have to remember that not everyone shares your view on this.

Lots of people may see it as a club and treat it as such, but others see it simply as an internet forum. Each group needs to just accept that the other has a different view of what antilag is. Instead of whinging about people who don't come to cruises, just get on with life and let those people interact the way they want. Anyone who brings the place down for whatever reason should be dealt with individually rather than attacking everyone else who uses the forum for whatever reasons.

i missed the point where i am whinging?!? i also missed the point where i was attacking people?!?

[Joe]

Well this place aint going to turn into PF, thats fo sheezy :)

[McLOVIN]

i missed the point where i am whinging?!? i also missed the point where i was attacking people?!?

Yeah that wasn't directed specifically at you.

A lot of people seem to have a cry about the people who don't attend cruises, and they seem to be treated like second class citizens. Somehow, some people seem to have this idea that they are "elite" amongst the antilag population, and that's just bullshit. The same sort of thing happened amongst the Sydney members on Performance Forums, and that all fell apart when newer people started to see it for what it was.

[kneedtotinkle]

As far as i am concerned, i dont go out cruising anymore... too many dipshits nowadays, hoon law crap, cant trust no one on the forums either you never know whether they are a cop etc...

I am generally a person who doesnt tolerate shit and has no problem in standing my ground. I see the forums being filled with quite a few young whippets who resemble titheads like those on home and away... Racing in their vl's and vk's doing it to seem cool or living dangerously.

Now, to my main point. There are a selection of members who have been here for a long time. They for certain reasons speak their mind and stand up for the community's values and ideals which had been evolved by those who were in back then. I see how wolfpac can see things being more to the old school rather than the new, but in all honesty there have been some complete hacks who have joined purely to stir shit, talk crap and cause a battle.

I think that the site 'may' i repeat 'may' need some fine tuning. The reason why i say this is purely due to the nature of the 'old schoolers' they will always tell someone to get in to line and pull their head in. They will always tell another who is a newbie to learn the ways of the site. The issue of general conversations and pure crap in threads is brought on by the community being a tight knit here in WA. We talk about anything relevant or stupid, and always take the piss as it is the general way of WA. Everyone takes the piss talks shit about their car being this and that when its not even correct purely for an effect.

I dont know how the problems are going to be sorted, but i'll tell you one thing. Antilags old schoolers are a close group and they are the hardcore members who know how things are in the community as they have endured the most of it. I dont think that they will change as i can tell you that i wont. Even though it says i joined in whatever the hell it is, i have been here since day one as a different username.

Antilag members arent like everyone else, well atleast in WA. We dont piss fart around or suck up eachothers asses like other sites, this place is as real as it gets. Shit is laid out like it is, not sugar coated. I prefer this concept...

[Joe]

Ok thanks for all of your feedback.

This discussion is now closed and we'll be taking the comments on board, to make a few changes.