V8's No longer in perth

[MMM]

just read the paper today 2009 last year of the v8 supercars in perth

1st the rally goes now this!!! 2 biggest motorsport events in australia and we dont wanna have a bar of it!!!! wtf is wrong with the government bunch of weak pricks that need to harden the fuck up!!!!

oh but we got the red bull race :slap:

perth officially the shittest city in australia

[S133LTR]

hopefully it piss n wind. they were sayin that 04(?) was gunna be the last year of V8's at waneroo but it kept goin.

[ED40]

yeah im with kingd.. it will never happen.

[S133LTR]

dnt know about never happen.... never underestimate the ability of government/promoters/organizers to total fcuk a good thing...

if they ever get this bunbury project finishd? it would be good to see the V8's go there, new facilities for fans, new track, better pits....

[MMM]

well they said 09 is the last year at barbagallo's..

the only way to get them back to perth is either a street race or as you said the bunbury track...

[S133LTR]

street race, is festevile, is porn!

[Denver]

street race won't happen, goverment are not keen to outlay money to mod the streets, and no one else wants to front the cash to do it..

given barbagello is one of the biggest rounds spectator wise, i seriously doubt the v8's will stop going there.. they'd risk loosing too much money..

[MMM]

the article said something about the facilitys and safety of the track and spectators

[joshg123]

Sell outs saturday and sunday, friday strong crowd.

We have nothing else, rally gone

Oh wait we have some plane race over the city.

Are the government a bunch of retards or something? Seriously whats next? Abolising petrol?

[Sciflyer]

V8SC (ie Tony Cochran, etc) have been pressuring the WASCC for years, they want a street race and this is basically their way of pushing for it, saying they will not return to Wanners after the contract runs out in a couple of years

Of course if the govt isnt interested then the great plan has backfired spectacularly...

[zeroyon]

Worst news I heard in a while.

I am not a huge V8's fan but i think loosing it is fucking stupid !!

I can fully understand why the V8's dont want to be in Perth the facilities they are provided are shit.

This really leaves perth with nothing !!

The way perth is going its going to turn into street gang city becuase there is NOTHING TO DO !!

Need something to Apease the bogans !

[MMM]

seriously we have NOTHING left

drifting is just taking off which is good!!
Motorplex usually gets a huge crowd
but for those ppl who like circuit racing the v8 supercars were good to see and the crowds prove it was a good thing..

my personal opinion on wannaroo is that it was a VERY bad circuit for the supercars but a street circuit would be absolutly awsome!!

[Tre-Cool]

Shame to loose the v8's but...

No loss because of the track, the track is far to narrow for any decent or exciting racing because it's too easy to come off and allows for hardly any overtaking.

I think it can only be a good thing, it might force the government to pull there fucking finger out and build a decent WORLD class track.

[Lonewolf]

can understand really for the teams, love watching a car limp all the way back up to a garage for repairs, doh!

heard the street circuit rumours earlier this year, seemed to have some supporters in the gov't then...

[kneedtotinkle]

Fark the V8's bring porsche cup here as a major event and weekend street title events. Would make mad dollars and generate a better stereotype for street racers to the general public. Would create more better drivers, increasing their abilities to perform and control a motorvehicle!!!!

[Biante12]

Bunbury isn't really an option. This idea has been bouncing around since 2000. No ground work has started and no infrastructure has been looked into.

As far as Cams and FIA are concerned, the management company for Bunbury track have not approached either body for approval or sanctioning but are already advertising FIA races. No application means no approval. The track layout has changed more times than Paris Hilton changes her lays.

Without the infrastructure, Cams or FIA approval, the track will be nothing but a fund raiser for the organiser's without any actually construction happening.

Bunbury was approved in 2003 with the full blessing of the Bunbury Council, but to date, there have been no commercial agreements for accommodation or transport from Perth. The other thing to take into consideration, how many Perth people are going to travel there and stay all weekend while paying absorbent prices for a 2-3 star motel room. This only leaves driving down each day.

After the Government came up with some cash last time to help upgrade Barbagallo, it was said then that they would not spend anymore money on the venue. One of the reasons, the same reason we lost Rally, the Government doesn't make enough profit from the money they outlay to help run the event.

They see Wanneroo as taking up valuable residential land that they can make a tidy profit from.

So unless we get a politician high up in the WA Government who is actually interested in motorsport, then WA will never see the V8's after 2009. No private comapny is going to fund the event. We think yeah heaps of people go every year, but the amount of out of state visitors compared to Clipsal or Indy, Bathurst etc, is bugger all. That means no tourist dollars.

So WA is fcuked as far as the V8's are concerned. We don't even have a politician higher enough who even knows what the V8's are. The prick that went up this year to represent the WA Government had never seen the V8's before, not even on TV and he only went cause no one esle was willing to give up their weekends.

Our Govenrment sux.

[S133LTR]

that is fcukn grim.

[McKVNT]

oh dear..

[Biante12]

All that information is public. There's nothing secret there. Cams reported the information in their newsletter to members, The Government "quote" was reported in the Gazette and in the papers after the track was rescued. As for Bunbury, well friends in high places. I reckon to pull the Bunbury off, the Bunbury Council is going to have to put their hand out to the Government for financial support. And they (Bunbury) are going to have to offer a lot more than a race track for the Governments money.

My view on the big picture, Motor Racing attracts hoons, the Government is opposed to hoons. Even the police force say their job is not to educate but to punish, so what chance does the WA motor sport enthusiast have when there is no support out there.

Thats my rant. Some will call me an idiot and my views aren't worth siht, but I am privy to a lot of information regarding motor sport in WA and you don't have to be a brain surgeon to see the writing is on the wall.

[S133LTR]

its definately a depressing situation....
an entire segment of the population has slowly become villified and subsequently disregarded by the government in an attempt to reduce the road toll and improve 'public safety'??

[Biante12]

disregarded by the government in an attempt to reduce the road toll and improve 'public safety'??

Maybe they should look at their standards they set for driver education first. They say its not their responsibility. They set the conditions for driver education, now they blame the instructors, how many fcukwit young drivers are born with more ego that capability behind the wheel.

Don't blame a sport. Where does the AFL get the money to pay for a drug addict to go to rehab in the states. Check out the gov. departments that put money into football.

Hate the government

[DISTRBD]

Write up in todays paper saying there not happy with facilities n asked government to fund some $$$ :(

[MMM]

soo who we voting for in the next election

[joshg123]

bodybodyrock had some good policies in other threads, i like his chances.

Btw, they cant just 'widen' the track. Or change its layout, To change the track now would meen every inch or race track must be 8m wide, and all the facilities must meet much higher standards like some of the new tracks being built internationally.

WASCC have just spent big bucks on resurfacing the track, and they cant afford to modify nor update the features of the track. They are in a pickle, the government is retarded and mr cochrane has a lisp

[Biante12]

They're not happy with facilities - not enough corporate tents and takes to long for their drivers to get out. hahahahahaha

[SHIFTYR8]

I'll build a track in my backyard... ONLY if i get those frigin' jim beam girls... OMFG....

[wadragracing]

As said above, it is V8SC posturing for a street race. A street race means you can quote even more ridiculous spectator numbers than they quote for Barbagallo now. It was hilarious at the driver press conference to hear the automated reply they all give when a question about crowd figures comes out.
Journo: "Any idea on crowd figures?"
Tander, Kelly, Skaife (simultaneously): "It was a record."
Despite the crowd clearly being down on previous years. They just say every round is a record. Sorry for the rant, V8SC crowd "figures" are a pet hate.
They are also very good at getting govt funding compared to other motorsport. A street race is a good way to do this.
It would probably be a very bad thing for Barbagallo to lose its big money event, so I hope for the sake of motorsport in WA it stays there.

[Denver]

It will stay there, IMHO anyway, no one wants a street race here, its been pushed for many years now, with no action, and the other goverments where more keen on motorsport than the current one..

as for the track facilities, wanners is some of the best there is, every team scores a shed, and all the support guys get a covered area, other tracks are barely lucky to have more than sheds for the v8's..

the track width is a piss in the pot argument from avesco, especially when you take into account that oran park for example is no wider, and neither is bathurst..

i think its just avesco trying to push people to bend to what they want, saddly for them, people are going to start telling them to fark off..

[Tones]

Hope this even stays in Perth. Only just now getting into the whole V8SC thing. Really want to get to a round here in Perth.

[Roobiks]

perth is just too full of old people

"turn down your music"
"your car has too many cylinders"
"put some pants on when you go out"
"racing on the street will kill everyone in a 30km radius"
etc etc

[gazza750]

perth is just too full of old people

"turn down your music"
"your car has too many cylinders"
"put some pants on when you go out"
"racing on the street will kill everyone in a 30km radius"
etc etc

but some of us old people are still into motorsport thank christ

[Biante12]

but some of us old people are still into motorsport thank christ


HERE HERE

[hillbilly1]

HERE HERE


And Again

[wadragracing]

V8s have been raised again. The Oppn has latched on to the idea of a street race, they may just be doing it because the govt said no though. Talkback callers complained in typical Perth fashion. One said he was thinking about buying an apartment in Perth but wouldn't if the V8s had a street race there. Oh I'm sure that would really swing your decision. Another said we don't need smelly-fuel guzzling V8s on the lovely streets of Perth. Sigh. We really are in Dullsville.

[Tre-Cool]

perth is just too full of old people

"turn down your music"
"your car has too many cylinders"
"put some pants on when you go out"
"racing on the street will kill everyone in a 30km radius"
etc etc
Apparently in the Sunday times, The police commisioner thinks every hoon is as bad a MURDERER!

:lol:

Your all walking the Mile now!

[adrenalin]

I heard some other thing saying hoons are now linked to drugs and drug dealing.

I dont think perth will lose the V8's.

[Nemi]

I had my skyline searched for drugs once they asked me if I had any needles etc.

I just opened the entire car up and told them to go for gold.

Car enthusiest, Drug Dealer
same, same

I do wonder if the government will ever realise that giving people things to do like race on race tracks or have sporting events to go see will help get kids off the gear and into something constructive.

I guess its easier to gain public support pointing the finger than finding a solution.

[Tre-Cool]

I had my skyline searched for drugs once they asked me if I had any needles etc.

I just opened the entire car up and told them to go for gold.

Car enthusiest, Drug Dealer
same, same

I do wonder if the government will ever realise that giving people things to do like race on race tracks or have sporting events to go see will help get kids off the gear and into something constructive.

I guess its easier to gain public support pointing the finger than finding a solution.
You make a good point. i though it was rather amusing when i was listening to the radio yesterday and it had a sound bite of Carpenter talkign about a drug summit in july and he thinks its because of the high disposabe income alot young people have and that is why the drug rate is so high.

It's probably true, but it's also probably because they have no decent entertainment or heaven forbid they get a car to work on and get done for Hooning/ enjoying their car.

I think the government should take a closer look at the benifits of the Motorplex & events like it. For the past 3 weeks the place has been PACKED! yet they dropped sponsorship at the start of the year. Go figure.

[Nemi]

that whole disposable income stuff is a load of crap you can't work on the mines and be a druggie due to the level of D and Alcohol screening they do.

Secondly if you have a disposable income you don't need to do home invasions to support your habbit etc so the link between crime and drug abuse wouldn't be so evident.

It's just a load of headline grabbing to mask the fact they don't actually have any policy's to deal with the growing ICE/Rock epidemic.


Do the mods want to break this conversation off into a seperate topic as we are getting a bit off the subject ?

[S133LTR]

all the best disposable income comes from drugs

[GA70TT]

just to add my 2c in

My olds was president of Fremantle chamber of commerce back in 04(from memory), and the idea was put forward to have the v8's race through the docks, where E shed markets are and back around........cant fully remember the whole track, but you get the idea

basically, it got canned in the ass because of the people who lived in the area.....they didnt want the noisey cars ..... Fremantle shire was happy to go ahead with it, but objections by residents stopped any plans

which will pretty much be the same for all other "street " tracks here in perth.........it's sad, because i think a track through the city, or riverside drive would be awsome :D

think we need a new track here is perth.....and if we are going to do it, make it worthwhile...... a big track, like new bahrain(sp?) track

[Denver]

street race will also mean the end of wanners and the WASCC

means we'll have only collie or ahg to go play at

and no actual racing anymore

sounds like a whole pile of suck to me

[BOSS 290]

Can the V8SC. It's only followed by young folk with hi disposable incomes derived from working on the mines, who just end up spending their money on expensive fast cars and amphetamines.

Using Karl O'Callaghan's logic.

[Passage GT]

Fark the V8's bring porsche cup here as a major event and weekend street title events. Would make mad dollars and generate a better stereotype for street racers to the general public. Would create more better drivers, increasing their abilities to perform and control a motorvehicle!!!!

yeah because the people of perth would just FLOCK to watch porsche cup
NOOOOOOOOT
v8's bring big numbers to barbagello and the WA government shoudl be doign all they can to keep it
even if it means building a street circuit
but porsche cup would never ever get any numbers and people just aren't interested in it

[V70R]

Hrmm, the WRC gets replaced with racing cessnas.
Rumour has it the V8 supercars will be replaced by the kite flying championships.

[Wilko]

I do wonder if the government will ever realise that giving people things to do like race on race tracks or have sporting events to go see will help get kids off the gear and into something constructive.

I guess its easier to gain public support pointing the finger than finding a solution.
Finding a solution = Time + Money + Effort
Pointing the finger costs nothing and is easy

[wadragracing]

It's just AVESCO posturing to get government funding. Despite it being an apparently thriving enterprise.
Come in, suck the place dry, take the lion's share of govt funding for motorsports and leave again. Nice work if you can get it.

[Matt-AE86]

They should just hold it in Roe Street car park.

[adrenalin]

As much as i prefer the porsche cup it wouldnt get the backing the V8's do simply because the V8's is a typical aussie event.

[200sxred]

street race would be nice and get numbers.... but would not get anymore events here in perth... we need a large scale complex that will cater for more than one event.... bring f1 dollars here then the goverment will make more out of tourisum... but no they much rather build gay bell towers that the bell cant be use porpally in... wa is a shit hole and a retiement state....

we needs to stand up and be heard.... but cant do it alone...we should all come to getter and make it worth it make perth better put it on the map

[2jzlux]

Dont forget the millions/billions of dollars being spent in champion lakes to please the overflowing numbers of people into rowing wtf???
I bet there would be a maximum of 100 people rocking up to a rowing event
Money could have been used elsewhere i think (new track)

[Kilma]

Apparently the street race has officialy been denied by the government, so as of 2009, unless Barbs gets a bit upgrade, or one of the many other rumoured tracks gets a serious kick in the nuts to get them up & going, WA won't have the V8s any more.

[gazza750]

AVESCO only want a street race so they make all the money coz barbagello is leased by the WASCC who receive most of the gate money etc cutting into the money cochrane and co want

[wadragracing]

Exactly. AVESCO only want a street race because street race = government funding. Ridiculous for a private organisation that already makes huge dollars.
I'm glad Tourism WA has told them to go away.
You will still see the round at Barbagallo continue past 2009 I would be willing to bet, especially considering as a lot of the main sponsors of teams have a bigger presence in WA than the population would indicate given the mining industry.
A street race would be detrimental to Barbagallo and so for that reason I don't want to see one. AVESCO is just a big sponge for all the sponsorship dollars and media for circuit racing.

[FIL]

This has happened a couple of times in the past.... Avesco has announced plans to stop coming to WA, and then Shell (the first time) and VB (the second time) responded with 'you leave WA and we're gone too' and surprise surprise, they came back.....

Avesco like to talk big and throw their weight around.... TC turned up at Wanneroo with a new agreement a few years ago, walked into race control on Friday morning and said 'sign this or we pack up and go home'

The WASCC had no choice but to comply...

[FIL]

It will stay there, IMHO anyway, no one wants a street race here, its been pushed for many years now, with no action, and the other goverments where more keen on motorsport than the current one..

as for the track facilities, wanners is some of the best there is, every team scores a shed, and all the support guys get a covered area, other tracks are barely lucky to have more than sheds for the v8's..

the track width is a piss in the pot argument from avesco, especially when you take into account that oran park for example is no wider, and neither is bathurst..

i think its just avesco trying to push people to bend to what they want, saddly for them, people are going to start telling them to fark off..

Denver knows the score....

Consider this also.... NASCAR run Nextel cup races on 1 mile ovals all the time (1.6km), but Wanneroo is too short for AVESCO? (at 2.6km)

[Lump]

nascar isnt circuit racing, so you cant compare wanners to a nascar oval.

[FIL]

crap it aint circuit racing.... it may not be australian touring cars, but it's still cars on a circuit, racing....

[Lump]

mate its an oval it comes from speedway.
a proper racing circuit or road course, which wanners is supposed to be has hairpins, chicanes, esses, brigdes/crossovers etc.
nascar racecars are set up to turn one direction not 2.
do they run nascars on the infield circuit at indy, i dont think so

[FIL]

actually, they do run them on what the americans refer to as 'road' circuits.,.. tracks with left and right turns....

[MaTMaN]

actually, they do run them on what the americans refer to as 'road' circuits.,.. tracks with left and right turns....

True, they have a few of these a year. I saw one a few months ago and Marcus Ambrose did quite well because of the street circuit style with all the corners and different turns ect. Off topic but yeah :)

[Lump]

well traditionaly & in the most part, they only turn & set the car up to go left.
still pretty silly to try to say wanners is a decent length track because of the mile oval nascar tracks in the us, which is a totally different type of car racing.

[7yphon]

Well I heard on the radio that the gov is going to give wascc some doe to fix the track up, dont know how much of this is true

[Clontarf[X]]

It would be nice if the track was updated a bit. It does it's purpose but I think to attract more numbers (as someone said earlier, that's the only reason avesco are getting shitty, fuckall proceeds from ticket sales) it needs to be updated with much better facilities.

The track itself is fine, just everything around it needs work :)

[MMM]

the track is SHIT!!!!!!

possibly the worst track in Australian circuit racing. as a spectator it is the most boring track layout ever. for starters you cant see half the track, the track isnt wide enough for cars to pass and trying to leave the venue after the race is crap

[wadragracing]

;253263']It would be nice if the track was updated a bit. It does it's purpose but I think to attract more numbers (as someone said earlier, that's the only reason avesco are getting shitty, fuckall proceeds from ticket sales) it needs to be updated with much better facilities.

The track itself is fine, just everything around it needs work :)

AVESCO likes street races because they can quote huge crowd numbers, bigger than the fanciful figures they give us now from Barbagallo. They don't need to be real numbers of course...just big.

[anton]

the pitlane is small, the track design is jsut not good, needs a complete overhaul with a slight change in track layout also all the facilities to be beffed up to F1 specs ( would be great for F1 Perth LOL ) with big screens for people on the pit side of the track so they can see all the stuff going on behind the hill

[kirbo]

Barbs is a great go-kart circuit! Needs overhaulin'

[joshg123]

the pitlane is small, the track design is jsut not good, needs a complete overhaul with a slight change in track layout also all the facilities to be beffed up to F1 specs ( would be great for F1 Perth LOL ) with big screens for people on the pit side of the track so they can see all the stuff going on behind the hill

Once again, if you change the layout the whole place has to go to barain spec. And this they dont have the room for.

[anton]

well just close the track and be done with it :P

[1JZVL]

might aswell get rid of the cricket aswell...

oh and then while we're at it, before our home footy teams start sucking it hard - get rid of the footy aswell... freo and eagles can play elsewhere

stupid govt.

[SircatmaN]

It wont be coming back. I can tell you now I know I worked there. The current WASCC committee has fucked up everything. The relationship with the Government, The relationship with the v8s, the relationships with its own staff.
Infact they even decided to that they "Don't want" the v8s anymore.

If you are a WASCC member I seriously suggest voting these morons out, I will be for sure.

If they get there way the only thing racing on the track will be the f*cking saloon cars.

[Dim]

It wont be coming back. I can tell you now I know I worked there. The current WASCC committee has fucked up everything. The relationship with the Government, The relationship with the v8s, the relationships with its own staff.
Infact they even decided to that they "Don't want" the v8s anymore.

If you are a WASCC member I seriously suggest voting these morons out, I will be for sure.

If they get there way the only thing racing on the track will be the f*cking saloon cars.

is that the new recently voted in at end of last year committee?

already that bad ey...?

[scj91]

ah well,lets just fuck up the track at power cruise then hahaha

[2fast4u]

nascar isnt circuit racing, so you cant compare wanners to a nascar oval.

why don't they rip barbs up and BUILD an oval XD

[SircatmaN]

is that the new recently voted in at end of last year committee?

already that bad ey...?

Yes. And bad is a very big understatement.