View Full Version : Red Bull Air Race Sunday
Brockas
15-11-2006, 12:08 PM
Who's going on Sunday?? I'm probably going to be a little groggy from the night before, but I think I might head down to watch.
Anyone else interested?
adrenalin
15-11-2006, 12:11 PM
I got bmw show and shine however thinking bout going after it.
Looks the goods
zeroyon
15-11-2006, 12:12 PM
Shoot the ****s down with rocks.
We lost the freakin rally for this.
Although probably a good event. I won't be supporting it in protest.
adrenalin
15-11-2006, 12:19 PM
Is this what is replacing the rally ....
If so that is piss poor.
yumafia
15-11-2006, 12:28 PM
Im goin.
FranZ
15-11-2006, 02:08 PM
Butters, if you're interested you may aswell go; they're not going to give 2 fvcks whether you're there or not because of your reasons - you're only disadvantaging yourself!
The WA Govt will be making all their money on teams and spectators spending money on food, accommodation and generally buying stuff - thats the way they see it!
Im going to park around East Perth and ride my bike around I think; best spectator spot is the Sth Perth foreshore; I reckon parking is gonna be a b1tch!
RICEY
15-11-2006, 02:14 PM
What happens if a plane crashes going that fast so close to all the spectators? Bulk fatalities hahaha
Would make for good news though hahaha
Brockas
15-11-2006, 02:16 PM
**** I forgot this is what is replacing the rally...
Now I'm conflicted, I want to see it, but I'd hate to see the decision to cancel the rally justified by a big return for the Air Race...
FranZ
15-11-2006, 02:17 PM
All the "stunt" flying is done over water!
Saying that, accidents happen blah blah blah.
RICEY
15-11-2006, 02:20 PM
Like Franz said no point missing it they wont give a toss
And Franz yeah but when something hits the water doin 300+ it tends to travel a fair way hahaha
[2_FLY]
15-11-2006, 04:41 PM
I`ll be down on sunday on my mates boat :D
Big Cam
15-11-2006, 05:38 PM
Im going i will be at south perth forshoror i might take the old mans boat out and watch from the water.
Yarms
15-11-2006, 06:13 PM
will def be down for this..
i thought rally was pretty freekin boring...compared to this anyways....but hey each to there own eh
cplagz
15-11-2006, 06:19 PM
;162218']I`ll be down on sunday on my mates boat :D
Same , taking Weapon out I think and rafting up with another boat.... do you know where they are closing off?
upgarage
15-11-2006, 06:43 PM
http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/imarine/14693.asp
will be a great day
Miami
15-11-2006, 07:03 PM
I'm trying to decide what you will actually be able to see from the foreshore as fas as action is concerned, and if it will be worth all the hassles of seeing it "live" (ie parking, crowds, the inevitable poor organisation that is bound to plague a virgin event, hell, south perth council cant even coordinate the skyshow properly after 20 years) as compared to just watching the foxtel coverage and doing something else with my sunday.
I'm also in the Butters camp of being against it in principal because of Rally Aus.
Best spectator spot is the Sth Perth foreshore; I reckon parking is gonna be a b1tch!
Not for me!!
Friend of my sisters live in apartment building on Mill Point Rd....I got his swipe card for the underground car park, cos he doesnt have a car ;)
http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/imarine/14693.asp
will be a great day
LOL Ian, all clued up on the marine info, what a coincidence.
Looks like you'll be swimming out to rescue Uncle Chai from the fishing net then :p
Lonewolf
15-11-2006, 07:56 PM
considered taking one of my clients parking bays in the south perth foreshore shopping center, but really cant be arsed, rather watch it on telly to be honest.
Did spot 2 black c130's doing a flyover and police boats patrolling this evening on my way past
it will be farkn awesome im a fulltime student going for my commercial pilots liscence atm at the aviation college which is basically the aero club at jandakot airport and the redbull guys have been going up n down the airstrip all day at like less than 100ft doing calibrating of the aircraft and messing around for the previous few days, they are bloody awesome machines something like 360HP flat 6 lycoming engines in them i think in an aircraft that weighs like 670KGs, they pull more Gs on average than a fighter pilot with the **** they do n yeh worth going to see
not going
A: cause i dont agree with the governtments decision to drop the rally
B: i wont be in town
Tyson
Red Bull Air Race organisers have nothing to do with Rally Australia, i.e. they are here to put on a show for us, not the WA Government....dont "penalise" them just because your bitter about Rally Aus.
The less people that attend, the more its going to ruin it for us when we want to see future events here in Perth. Spectator response is a huge part of deciding the future of any event.
Jazza
15-11-2006, 09:06 PM
I think im gonna go have a look Pauly, Joe you got sh*t easy ay! Help a brother out hahahaha
Lonewolf
15-11-2006, 09:19 PM
Not for me!!
Friend of my sisters live in apartment building on Mill Point Rd....I got his swipe card for the underground car park, cos he doesnt have a car ;)
make sure you get the correct orange pass to even get into the area, its all being cordoned off in a certain zone...
Onijin
15-11-2006, 10:48 PM
Parking's ok for me, as I work on the river and we get our own reserved parking. :D Having a barbie and everything there with a few other workmates, so should be sweet.
make sure you get the correct orange pass to even get into the area, its all being cordoned off in a certain zone...
This is sorted out also ;)
Drove down riverside drive this morning, the checkpoints are already being set up on the river, and Langley park as the runway. Would have liked to check this out, but working all day Sunday, emo.
ben351
16-11-2006, 10:22 AM
will prolly end up in the swan river after the amount i plan to drink sat night ...
see yous there :)
Miami
16-11-2006, 11:52 AM
Red Bull Air Race organisers have nothing to do with Rally Australia, i.e. they are here to put on a show for us, not the WA Government....dont "penalise" them just because your bitter about Rally Aus.
The less people that attend, the more its going to ruin it for us when we want to see future events here in Perth. Spectator response is a huge part of deciding the future of any event.
In this case Joe, "spectator response" will have very little influence on what the Govt has clearly demonstrated is it's bottom line when deciding what events it will bring to WA - dollars raised/profits made. This was the reasoning offered for dumping the Rally.
In the instance of RBAR, the dollars raised will be primarily sponsor/commercially based. Spectator response (and by interpretation what the people actually want to see) matters very little.
If you wish to argue otherwise, and suggest that the RBAR will appeal to a wider demographic than the Rally by being held on the river etc, tell me how exactly spectator response will be measured considering they wont be charging entry etc??
I am watching them practice from the office at the moment.
Pic from window.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f221/mek89/DSC_8026.jpg
RB20ZED
16-11-2006, 10:01 PM
i work in the kwinana indusrial strip atm and these guys have been flying overhead and practising out over cockburn sound all wekk, i must say they are apsolutely amazing the things they do and the rate at which they turn ect definatly something worth seeing.
Miggy
16-11-2006, 10:24 PM
is this free?
and where are most people parking? :/
How exactly would they charge you ?
"oh noes dont look in the air!"
In this case Joe, "spectator response" will have very little influence on what the Govt has clearly demonstrated is it's bottom line when deciding what events it will bring to WA - dollars raised/profits made. This was the reasoning offered for dumping the Rally.
In the instance of RBAR, the dollars raised will be primarily sponsor/commercially based. Spectator response (and by interpretation what the people actually want to see) matters very little.
If you wish to argue otherwise, and suggest that the RBAR will appeal to a wider demographic than the Rally by being held on the river etc, tell me how exactly spectator response will be measured considering they wont be charging entry etc??
I wish the government would give up on "how much money can we make right NOW on this event", and start considering "how much money will this exposure help us make in the future".
If they have the choice to hold a major international event and they get all antsy because they are only making a couple of million above break even (which isnt enough for them), then there is something wrong with them.
See, what they dont realise is, they arent reaping the benefits now.... it will be future benefits for any other events they hold.
This is how it works. Events such as the RBAR creates good will, in the minds of different "publics".
These publics include
a) The population of WA
b) Prospective tourist population from everywhere outside WA
c) Event organisers from around Australia
d) Event organisers from around the world
After these publics have seen that the WA Govt. has put on an international event such as the air race, people will be more willing to consider Perth as a "supplier of choice" for different international and national events.
When the next "international" event rolls around, and it happens to need the convention centre or the WACA or something, and people have to pay $30 each for entry, the govt will make LOTS of money, and the spectators woh responded last time will line up to pay their $30, because of their positive perception of past events held here in Perth. This is where "spectator response" is important ;)
It takes a while to build that good will, and it doesnt happen by canning an event because its not made enough money!!
IMHO, Perth should start using its natural resources, such as the river, to hold other events. Power boat racing, or jet ski racing, or world wakeboarding championships, or something else awesome on the river...if they keep doing stuff like that, they'll build an image of a city that hold extreme sports events, and it'll just keep snowballing. We'll eventually get more than extreme sports, we'll get all sorts of events being held here, because of the support of the WA Govt and the population of WA!
Its like an investment, cant make all the money now, needs to build up over time. They arent exactly LOSING any money, so maybe they should stop complaining, and use the RBAR as a spring board into a string of future events!!
How exactly would they charge you ?
"oh noes dont look in the air!"
You seen the City of South Perth parking inspectors before?
Yeah, well...they are the City of South Perth "looking" inspectors now. Look in the air, and before you even realise, you'll have a ticket stuck behind your ear
This has been another qaulity essay bought to you by Joe.
Brett_J
17-11-2006, 09:22 AM
Im going for sure,this is the first time this race has been in the southern Hemisphere.If we even get a quarter of the interest it does in any other part of the world it will benefit our tourism (1000,000 spectators in Budapest).
People have been flying from all over Australia for the last 2 weeks to come and watch this,Go look at Jandakot airport and see how many planes are there at the moment.
Brett
zeroyon
17-11-2006, 11:28 AM
I can hear them buzzing around from my office,
Sitting down now to write my letter of complaint about the noise.
Screw Them !!
Miami
17-11-2006, 11:31 AM
I wish the government would give up on "how much money can we make right NOW on this event", and start considering "how much money will this exposure help us make in the future".
If they have the choice to hold a major international event and they get all antsy because they are only making a couple of million above break even (which isnt enough for them), then there is something wrong with them.
See, what they dont realise is, they arent reaping the benefits now.... it will be future benefits for any other events they hold.
This is how it works. Events such as the RBAR creates good will, in the minds of different "publics".
These publics include
a) The population of WA
b) Prospective tourist population from everywhere outside WA
c) Event organisers from around Australia
d) Event organisers from around the world
After these publics have seen that the WA Govt. has put on an international event such as the air race, people will be more willing to consider Perth as a "supplier of choice" for different international and national events.
When the next "international" event rolls around, and it happens to need the convention centre or the WACA or something, and people have to pay $30 each for entry, the govt will make LOTS of money, and the spectators woh responded last time will line up to pay their $30, because of their positive perception of past events held here in Perth. This is where "spectator response" is important ;)
It takes a while to build that good will, and it doesnt happen by canning an event because its not made enough money!!
IMHO, Perth should start using its natural resources, such as the river, to hold other events. Power boat racing, or jet ski racing, or world wakeboarding championships, or something else awesome on the river...if they keep doing stuff like that, they'll build an image of a city that hold extreme sports events, and it'll just keep snowballing. We'll eventually get more than extreme sports, we'll get all sorts of events being held here, because of the support of the WA Govt and the population of WA!
Its like an investment, cant make all the money now, needs to build up over time. They arent exactly LOSING any money, so maybe they should stop complaining, and use the RBAR as a spring board into a string of future events!!
Totally agree with everything you said.
Now please explain why, after having done ALL the aformentioned hard work creating a local and international positive perception, they decided to dump the Rally? It meets all of your criteria, including making use of WA's unique natural resources. That is my MAIN point.
My next point is that in this instance, neither the Govt nor the sponsors in reality are really going to care whether 100 people or 100 000 people flock to the forshore to view the RBAR. Why?? Because the majority of the money the event/sponsors make is going to come from the TV rights etc - as long as Perth looks good on TV, with the river, bridges etc, then thats all they need. And the Govt makes all of its money from the sponsors and the event - spectator response clearly offers minimal return, or they would be doing more to try and charge the public to view it. Local councils such as South Perth will get in on the act by slugging parking fines on as many people as they can - I know for a fact a number of the councils including South Perth and Subiaco "lend/borrow" rangers/parking inspectors to/from each other for different events such as the football, royal show etc; but the state govt essentially gets very little return from the WA public as such.
I spose therein lies the appeal of the RBAR to the Govt - its easy money for relatively little effort/input.
Miami
17-11-2006, 11:38 AM
I can hear them buzzing around from my office,
Sitting down now to write my letter of complaint about the noise.
Screw Them !!
Given the issues Perth has with noise restrictions/complaints (see the Claremont speedway, Subiaco oval, Burswood Dome, Becks Verandah during the Perth International Arts Festival, and the disappearance of a number of live music venues for prime examples) I can see this being a major threat to the continuation of the RBAR series in Perth. Was having that same thought myself as I have listened to them all morning - every old granny will be currently writing their letter to the editor/local MP as we speak.
ben351
17-11-2006, 11:45 AM
HAHAHA
dudes you guys need to go whack off in the shower or something ... relieve some frustration an pressure :D
rally ... red bull ... diet coke ... fukcing planes whatever ... i aint gotta pay for sh!t so i still get 8 hrs sleep
FranZ
17-11-2006, 01:44 PM
LOL whack off in the shower! LOL
You do realise its free to go to the RBAR Ben? hehe
confuzion
17-11-2006, 01:47 PM
wwwooooaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrr
i just got back from the river watchign the practice. It is really good seeing it live and up close.. for about 10 mins, then after every single guy does the same thing it does get tiresome, plus with the music blaring the noise of the planes and choppers, not to mention the fly-bys by the air force (about 10 times louder than the RBAR planes) i can see alot of complaints coming in. IMHO the rally was much more exciting as a spectator and just getting ot the event is going to be a pain in the ass judging by the traffic and lack of parking that i saw today in south perth.
V8ENZ
17-11-2006, 04:18 PM
probably show up tomorrow for qulifing
Onijin
17-11-2006, 11:43 PM
I'm pretty sure that the organisers would've warned residents and businesses well in advance about noise levels from these planes so that they would've made preparations. If they didn't bother reading the warnings or doing something to prepare for it, stiff ****!
Daniel VR4
18-11-2006, 12:04 AM
yeah went for practice today...watched it for a while...was pretty fun then got pretty bored aftera while...parking is gona be a bigg problem tmw....but i still got the key to my old apartment in south perth so prolly gona park thr....didnt get to see air force planes though!!
cmon who seriously goes cause they wanna watch the planes? its just another good excuse to get drunk with thousands of other people on the river... just like australia day.
Lonewolf
18-11-2006, 09:42 AM
yeah, it will turn into that for spectators, you will find most of the people will be pissed and not even watching....
i dont really find it interesting on tv (with commentary and in cabin shots etc), so it would be even more boring in person.
South perth govt is doubling parking fines for the day by the way...
have a look on riverside drive side, and see how many signs you can see with Perth on them, every single sign.
As mentioned, its not about bringing the event here for the people of perth, its about brining in tourism and sponsor revenue.
180SXTCY
18-11-2006, 02:42 PM
air race for the win!
joey89
18-11-2006, 03:16 PM
Just saw the jet that was giving a show from my house god damn the are quick and sound insane!
[2_FLY]
18-11-2006, 03:23 PM
haha we could hear that from Myaree so we watched it from there. SOOO ****ing loud!!
joey89
18-11-2006, 03:37 PM
haha yea i was doing something on the car in garage and heard the noise i was like wtf was that!
Went into backyard and watched the show from there (maylands) it was hell loud just across the river :)
We watched from Vic Park
BOMBED!
Onijin
18-11-2006, 05:17 PM
Saw the jet from Harbourtown as well.
wadragracing
19-11-2006, 07:48 PM
Oh man how packed was that! I am going to have to change plans for it next year though, either stake out a decent spot and drink lots or geta hotel room or something with a view and drink lots. Much drinking must be involved. I was sober as err something that's really sober today and although I enjoyed the atmosphere it actually got a little boring, it all looked the same for a lot. It seemed the big screen gave a better perspective than watching it live.
But far out how many people!!!! Oh and I was driving along the Narrows and the jet came right over head, awesome! Still doesn't beat a Top Fuel launch from 20 feet away but hey I'll take it on a Sunday. :)
Was a great day.. Having music in the background while they were racing really made it much more enjoyable.
S133LTR
19-11-2006, 09:28 PM
fair bit better than I expected. not as loud as i thought they would be though. if they were judging the success of this on crowd numbers it was definately a success.
confuzion
19-11-2006, 10:13 PM
watched it on tv, it was ok but got bored fairly quickly..
1JZNOSHIT
19-11-2006, 10:20 PM
i was on the perth city side, and after watching a bit of it on TV id say being on the South Perth foreshore woulda been the best spot. as mentioned, i found myself bored rather quickly.
hoony
19-11-2006, 10:25 PM
had work which was a shame but the missus went with a few friends...
said as she got there people were leaving already because they seemed bored and wouldn't go again or like make time to go see it but the fighter jets were apparently really good, made it an 'okay' experience to make up for the ordinary show
that's my splur for the day
Brockas
20-11-2006, 12:46 AM
Without commentary and the replay screens it's boring. The only place to be was on the South Perth side (SOR as per usual) and next to the speakers. Really added to the atmosphere.
I'm so so so so so SO burnt.
Daniel VR4
20-11-2006, 01:37 AM
was good on the whole...so many people...was at the south perth point...gota park right in front as well as i had my old driving license and i used to live on mill point road...the last jet was the highlight of the show for me...the sound was awesome and i comparing with f1 live...i think the jet was a wee bit louder...****in hot though
MissMR2
20-11-2006, 07:27 AM
Was a bit overrated - We ended up leaving early and going to scabs (still saw some of the planes fly by). OH got nicely toasted too haha..
RICEY
20-11-2006, 08:21 AM
We watched from Vic Park
BOMBED!
You walked form the city to vic park?
Came in with a friend and used her reserved parking spot opposite langley park, couldnt get a good spot on the river so went up to her office overlooking the river :D Also got a bit bored after a few planes went through but also left early to dodge the traffic.
FranZ
20-11-2006, 08:40 AM
Thought it was great. Got there nice and early. Parked in East Perth and road the bikes around to near the Coode St Jetty. Got a place right on the wall where grass meets river. :) ...Bikes also made for a great tool in getting out of there nice and easy.
My pics -> http://images.franzonline.net/2006-11-19-redbullairrace-perth/
Daniel VR4
21-11-2006, 12:01 AM
nice pics dude...wat camera do u use?
FranZ
21-11-2006, 08:34 AM
Pics were taken with a Canon 30D with a crappy 28-300mm Sigma lens.
DRKWRX
21-11-2006, 06:17 PM
Nice photos Franz!! I was a bit late so was near the footpath :( some of my photos lucky im tall I could see over everyone haha.
http://willy.lovelyrainyday.com/g/
GTiR1080
22-11-2006, 10:13 AM
Went and watched practice on friday. Good to see just for something different but would still prefer rally australia. Reckon you would have to be a bit crazy to fly like that.
hugwase
22-11-2006, 05:42 PM
My sunburn still hurts. :/
Twas tops though!
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